hey tracy, just a quick question what is devs & your opinion on the music industry trying to take out lyric and tab sites?
http://www.betanews.com/article/Music_I ... 1134421643

i mean i could see where they were coming from with the mp3 thing but this, i feel, is stupid. as a music student these kind of sites are a great help if im too busy to work a song out, or just to plain give me a lyric sheet to sing off.. i do own tab books but these sites let me find tabs for musicians who might not have a book, ala dev, out or i dont own much of there music, like some of the music i might be asked to play by the kids i teach sometimes.

anyway just wondering what your take on this is.

thanks tracy

[Tracy]

That's just silly. Lyric sites? Ooooh... someone might be singing in the shower illegally! That is no threat to the artist, in my opinion. I also think tab sites aren't overly relevant - especially fan created ones. Devin says all of the ones he's seen of his own music aren't even accurate so what's the harm.

And it preempt the next question... no, he hasn't finished the tab books yet, there has been no time to work on them.

I agree with you mostly too, but (I always give the other side of the argument a go for a round, I'm not really argumentive, just think boths sides should be listened to) there is one example that I understand this taking money away from them. Weird Al doesn't write his own songs (for the most part anyways), and he only makes money off of the lyrics. Apparently he had a post on his site asking people not to visit lyrics sites that hosted his lyrics because he wasn't getting royalties for them (which he gets for being on the air and stuff). If people want the lyrics, they should buy his CD. His art is the lyrics. It's like someone posting a poets entire works online, it's still copywrite infringment

So in that case, I can perfectly understand where he's coming from. As a lyricist/musician, I do see lyrics as a very important part of a song, and something that sometimes takes forever to write. But that being said, some artists don't even put their lyrics in their books and I like being able to go online and find out what they're singing.

In conclusion...I don't know what to think, lol. I'll still use them where avaliable, like I will still download music to see if I enjoy it and buy it when I can. Lyrics are important to me, sometimes a selling factor for me, and if I can research that online, sometimes it has made me buy an album.

[Tracy]

I suppose but I don't know of too many people who will choose to buy an album only because there are lyrics printed inside.

I just see it as petty when they haven't controlled the basic problem of whole album downloads (especially prematurely - see Synchestra section of the forum). Focus on the core problem then deal with the fringes.

That's just silly. Lyric sites? Ooooh... someone might be singing in the shower illegally! That is no threat to the artist, in my opinion. I also think tab sites aren't overly relevant - especially fan created ones. Devin says all of the ones he's seen of his own music aren't even accurate so what's the harm.

And it preempt the next question... no, he hasn't finished the tab books yet, there has been no time to work on them.

thanks for answering, yeah theyve stopped downloading from the powertab site which is lame, but then im primaraly a mac user so this dosent effect me, i could understand if they took down ones which are nicked straight from the books..

i dont know of any individual lyric sites that have/will be targeted, but like you say its no threat to the artist, its somewhat irational as in my opinion someone who owns the CD is more likeley to want to sing/play along.

and i know what you mean when you talk about unacurate tabs... BUT.. this makes them a perfect bluprint for honing your listening skills, anyway dont know where im going with this, just a rant really.

oh and about the devy tab book (i assume this is a long running thing) has dev concidered hiring a session musician, it would free him some time and im sure he would recoup.... anyway off topic.... raar! the industry!!

That's just silly. Lyric sites? Ooooh... someone might be singing in the shower illegally!

that's why we love you guys and hate the rest of the industry!

but hey, a devin tab book? what would it be covering?

I agree with you mostly too, but (I always give the other side of the argument a go for a round, I'm not really argumentive, just think boths sides should be listened to) there is one example that I understand this taking money away from them. Weird Al doesn't write his own songs (for the most part anyways), and he only makes money off of the lyrics. Apparently he had a post on his site asking people not to visit lyrics sites that hosted his lyrics because he wasn't getting royalties for them (which he gets for being on the air and stuff). If people want the lyrics, they should buy his CD. His art is the lyrics. It's like someone posting a poets entire works online, it's still copywrite infringment

Weird Al is SOFT! I can't understand why anyone would have a problem with lyrics. Its just a case of how ridiculous our laws can be. If someone rips some artist's lyrics and uses it for their own "art" then sue, but taking down lyric sites?

I can sorta understand with midi files but even that'd suck if they were targeted but lyrics and tabs? That's stupid.

Laws are so flawed. Does anyone want any cash? Break into my house so I can kick your ass, then sue me!!

I remember when I first started playing I'd buy those books that have the whole album tabbed out, and 90% of the time those are wrong! I don't see the point really, it seems that unless the artist tabs them out for us everyone else is getting them wrong.

The music industry is just all about money now. Anyway they can get it they'll try. I can go into FYE and see a CD with 8 songs on it for $19.99...ON FUCKING SALE!! Then labels wonder why people download music! I'll never pay $19.99 for a CD. Screw that.

yeah, the tab books I have bought sounded NOTHING like the song.

I think even Metallica would be against them shutting down tab sites

I think I remember reading an interview with James Hetfield where he said that young guitar players should learn some of their songs for practicing and tab sites are a great way to get better

They are just out for money now

I remember when I first started playing I'd buy those books that have the whole album tabbed out, and 90% of the time those are wrong! I don't see the point really, it seems that unless the artist tabs them out for us everyone else is getting them wrong.

The music industry is just all about money now. Anyway they can get it they'll try. I can go into FYE and see a CD with 8 songs on it for $19.99...ON FUCKING SALE!! Then labels wonder why people download music! I'll never pay $19.99 for a CD. Screw that.

HAH you're complaining? i gotta pay 20-25 bucks for a national-produced cd, and like 50-60 for an import (and most good stuff is import)

This is just like when they went after used record stores demanding a cut of the money sold for each CD. Sorry, assholes, you already got your money! Ridiculous!

I remember when I first started playing I'd buy those books that have the whole album tabbed out, and 90% of the time those are wrong! I don't see the point really, it seems that unless the artist tabs them out for us everyone else is getting them wrong.

The music industry is just all about money now. Anyway they can get it they'll try. I can go into FYE and see a CD with 8 songs on it for $19.99...ON FUCKING SALE!! Then labels wonder why people download music! I'll never pay $19.99 for a CD. Screw that.

HAH you're complaining? i gotta pay 20-25 bucks for a national-produced cd, and like 50-60 for an import (and most good stuff is import)

Well, I wouldn't mind paying $19.99 for a CD once in a while, but I generally buy between 20 to 50 CDs a month! I can't hang with that price tag and still keep my habit going!

Whats wrong with tabs? Its great for aspiring musicians to find out how to do certain pert that they cant figure out. My brother is always pissed at how wrong the tabs are, and pretty much makes them sound perfect. He has the Away intro down perfect. Even the distortion sounds right.

I see nothing wrong with lyric sites, they do not influence music sales at all. And believe it or not, downloading doesnt hurt album sales too much, as a lot of people find new bands to listen to when they do it. Some people buy the albums they download, some dont. most will buy at least one cd from the artist if they like what they downloaded, and one cd sale is better than not having one at all.

Downloading is a bad thing, yet is a great way of helping people find new bands. There should be a stop to it, but it wont happen. Maybe flood Kazaa and the other p2p networks with bullshit tracks that arent the actual album, just noise. That helps ot more than you think. The one band did that, and I couldnt find a good sample of their music anywhere. I wound up buying the cd anyway because i previously found 2 songs off the album and liked it.

[Tracy]

Downloading is a bad thing, yet is a great way of helping people find new bands. There should be a stop to it, but it wont happen. Maybe flood Kazaa and the other p2p networks with bullshit tracks that arent the actual album, just noise. That helps ot more than you think. The one band did that, and I couldnt find a good sample of their music anywhere. I wound up buying the cd anyway because i previously found 2 songs off the album and liked it.

As I have said before, I have no problem with people sharing a few songs, it's whole albums that make me crazy.

Downloading is a bad thing, yet is a great way of helping people find new bands. There should be a stop to it, but it wont happen. Maybe flood Kazaa and the other p2p networks with bullshit tracks that arent the actual album, just noise. That helps ot more than you think. The one band did that, and I couldnt find a good sample of their music anywhere. I wound up buying the cd anyway because i previously found 2 songs off the album and liked it.

As I have said before, I have no problem with people sharing a few songs, it's whole albums that make me crazy.

I donno...its all circumstantial

I will admit, I sent my friend all of Terria, because I felt one track couldn't do it justice. I thought he would like Devin's stuff. And he ended up buying that cd, and even a couple more Devy cds. I know that if I sent him one song, he would have just listened to it, and not liked it. Devy would be short a fan and some money too. So yeah....all circumstantial

But I can see where your coming from. I'm not saying that downloading full cd's is good all the time......just depends on the situation