[EphelDuath666]

then don't!
it's just because i wanted to do an as-zen-as-possible reply, so i added that just to go with the "meat eaters, visit a slaughterhouse and reconsider once in a while"

zen seems to be THE word these days
no prob, I just wanted to say what my grandma always says. I think in my family she has the biggest probs with that for whatever reasons. I'm nice though and never fire back because she's an old lady. But I must say when my parents in the beginning said I should eat meat once in a while, they had to eat quite a lot of shit They always were like...but you used to eat meat. Yeah...I also used to wear diapers on a daily basis and pooed in them at least twice a day.

:lol: that's the point...you sound like my grandma. She also says I should try meat once in a while to see if I like it again. It's simply not going to happen ever again.

LOL! That sounds like something a grandma would say.

Yeah...I also used to wear diapers on a daily basis and pooed in them at least twice a day.

well, look out then
if youstart using diapers and pooing on them twice a day, then they might have an argument on you to start eating meat again


and indeed, i'm a proud user of Zen even before knowing Alien!

I do find it strange that when someone says they are vegetarian people automatically get defensive and argumentative.

I never said anyone else was wrong for their choice but there was still an immediate backlash and implication that my choice was somehow wrong.

Curious.

Maybe a subconscious sense of guilt? Hmm??

That last line was a joke, I'm gonna lock this topic I think.

Its all for shits and giggles...

(sorry, still no guilt, just downed some bacon)

I'm nice though and never fire back because she's an old lady.

Ahh...I get it...

That's why you're always dumpin' on ME! 'Cos you can't stand up to Granny, eh?

It all makes sense to me now...

OT: vegetarians are cool, carnivores are cool.
Life feeds on life indeed.

http://www.goveg.com/pdfs/VSK_celeb.pdf <---- Read the whole thing now.

I read enough of that to depress me for weeks.

The reason why people are so supportive of meat and so unsupportvie of vegetarians is mainly a cultural thing. We are raised that meat and potatoes are the prime food groups, and that vegetarians are weak minded people who care way too much about hurting bambi. A part of it is the health, but we are in fact omnivores, so part of a healthy diet involves eating meat. While meat eaters eat more meat than they are supposed to and less vegetables than they are supposed to, vegetarians eat more vegetables than they are supposed to and no meat at all.

It doesnt mean that the way our culture raised us is correct though. People should be able to make their own choices about what they consume or use. Honostly, their is no shortage of cows out there for beef lovers, but 95% of those cows are tightly packed in feeding chambers just waiting to get to a good size to be killed and used for our food. Its the food chain, but the food chain didnt mean for us to cage the food in and slaughter it unfairly. This is immoral, but unfortunatly its not going to stop me or many people from eating meat.

And i know some people who are simply grossed out by meat, and they arent those delicate girls that wont ever get a drop of rain on them, or dont want to break a nail, etc. Albeit the vegetarian i do know that cant handle meat used to be a hippie, vegetarians obviously are not directly associated to hippies. Although a hippie is more likely to be a vegetarian than a person who lives a non-hippie lifestyle.

And honostly, i think people are afraid of not eating meat, cause the fact is, most people enjoy eating meat more than any other food. And most vegetarians dont exactly do it for health reasons, but do it to save a few animals. I have nothing against this, it is completely fine to have a concern for the ecosystem. But if their main reasons are about saving the animals, they should also have a big concern about saving the environment, and this is where the whole "tree hugging hippie" notion comes into play. Our environment is degenerating from our pollution at a rate a lot faster than most people would think. So i think saving a few animals is the least of our concerns.

Whatever anyones reason for being a vegetarian, it should be respected. People have the right to do to themselves what they want, or to make the decisions that they feel is just. If i want to do drugs, i can do drugs. Nobody should persuade me otherwise, unless it is conflicting with my everyday life, college, or relationships with friends. And arguably, morality is subjective, so even then, it is totally up the the person to make any choice they want, conflicting with life or not.

The reason why i dont think this thread should be locked is because this is a completely valid discussion, and I dont think anyone is flaming anyone. Why is it that once a rivetting, controversial topic is discussed, people want to stop talking about it? Im not just talking about in this thread, this is throughout the world. Like religion in American schools, and the way they want to censor Christmas. This is even happening nationwide, as stores can only advertise so much for Christmas. Religion is not a subject where people commonly agree, so we simpy get rid of it. I dont think i need to provide anymore examples. Just turn on your TV. Everything is at peace on all of the shows, and people argue about the pettiest of things. Religion isnt going to be discussed on Everybody Loves Raymond, and abortion isnt going to be discussed on Sex and the City. Happiness shall be a necessity, soma for everyone!

Vegetarianism is like religion to me, I cant decide! hehe

I eat meat and enjoy it, however, If I was stronger I would at least eat less meat.

Vegetarian food can be very interesting and enjoyable, its not all salads and nuts.

Healthwise, there is no proven tests that have shown that a balanced vegetarian diet and a balanced diet with meat are healthier than the other.

Red meat though, in larger quantities isnt so good for you I reckon.

The reason for not eating meat i.e animals being killed is something I respect vegetarians for.

Suppose Im Mr Neutral

My 2 cents.

the reason why their is no proof that a balanced vegetarian diet is less nutritious is because you can consume all of the health benefits from meat in non-meat products. Plants contain protein, even though people dont think so. The reason why health is an issue with vegetarians, is even though they might eat a lot, they still may not be consuming enough of the nutrition that they need. Still, my diet is a lot worse at the moment than almost any vegetarian. Being a student and eating healthy is totally not in the same vocabulary. Some days i dont eat anything until 4:30, and then i eat a fried chicken sandwich, with french fries, onion rings, and an energy drink to give me enough kick to make it through the next class. I know that my health has definitely been out on the back burner.

Eating meat is simply an easier way of maintaining normal nutrition. It is harder to eat a well balanced diet when your a vegetarian than people who eat meat.

[EphelDuath666]

that's bull...sorry. I've been vegetarian for years and I'm still anything but slim. Vegetarianism doesn't mean diet AT ALL! Eat a veggie burger and then a normal burger and you will see that there's not much of a difference. My blood results are not any worse than when I used to eat meat, in fact they got better. I think people have strange ideas when it comes to vegetarianism. And even if it wasn't equally as healthy as being a carnivore or whatever, I'd still do it. And that's the point. For you it might not be a big concern when animals get slaughtered, for me it is because it's pointless.

that's bull...sorry. I've been vegetarian for years and I'm still anything but slim. Vegetarianism doesn't mean diet AT ALL! Eat a veggie burger and then a normal burger and you will see that there's not much of a difference. My blood results are not any worse than when I used to eat meat, in fact they got better. I think people have strange ideas when it comes to vegetarianism. And even if it wasn't equally as healthy as being a carnivore or whatever, I'd still do it. And that's the point. For you it might not be a big concern when animals get slaughtered, for me it is because it's pointless.

Your diet has nothing to do with cutting back to lose weight. Anyone's eating habits are defined as their diet. And vegetarianism is a regulated selection of food, so in fact it is a diet. And this has nothing to do with your metablolism. Nobody said that vegetarians had to be skinny. And i think it was just stated that both diets do not have necesary health advantages, other than vegetarians having to consume certain foods in order to get the nutrition that normal people get from meat. Do some research, and then you can prove anything i said to be wrong. I dont think i said anything inaccurate.

Slaughtering animals is horrible, but I still want to eat meat. Most of the meat I eat at home is deer meat that we hunted and killed anyways, so not all the meat i eat is from a slaughterhouse. I think slaughtering animals is a big moral issue, but it doesnt seem to bother me when im eating a nice juicy steak. You may think im an asshole, but its very normal of me to feel this way. Through everyday activities, you produce tons of pollution, which is killing of our habitats, including out plants and trees. Plants are living things, just as animals are. And they are both dying off because of pollution, not because of eating habits. So i think pollution should be more of a concern than animals, but who am i to judge how important certain things are to other people?

And your saying there isnt much of a difference between a normal burger and a veggie burger? Come on, a real burger is so much more tasty I agree though, they are equally as filling, maybe even more filling depending on the brand. Veggie burgers arent bad, but i prefer a juicy venison burger over it anyday.

[EphelDuath666]

yeah..when I said slaughtered I should have made it more clear that I also meant hunting, etc. There's not much of a difference in my opinion anyways because I don't see the necessity for either of those things. As for pullution, well that is a big concern as well, just as big as killing animals for me. But also in this case I try to be responsible, at least as much as I can. Killing the planet and killing its creatures is both equally important to me and it's avoidable.

I honostly dont think we will be able to save the planet. We are in a far too industrialized nation that is way too harmful for the delicate ecosystem in which we live. The earth is being destroyed at a faster rate than many people think. I just did a research paper on this, so Im up to date on the new information. I think its tragic.

There is a big difference between a slaughterhouse and hunting. Slaughterhouses deny the animal the freedom of life. most slaughterhouse animals never see the light of day, ever. They are killed unfairly, and pretty much pumped with food to fatten them up, and hormones to make them grow quicker.

Hunting, is completely natural. The animals have free range, and their population is plenty big. This is how population control works, via the food chain. this is why humans are overpopulating the earth, etc. The deer that get shot get killed yes, but they still had a life, which was lived as a normal free range animal. And hunting is a sport, so its not all just for the meat, but it is a lot of the reason why we hunt.

There is a difference, so let that be noted. I do not support the torture of an animal, but i do support hunting as a fair sport. But i respect your opinion, and can see your point. Although this is the case in which can be argued that it is the food chain and this is how life was supposed to be made. Slaughterhouses = immoral. Hunting = survival, moral, natural.

[EphelDuath666]

I honostly dont think we will be able to save the planet. We are in a far too industrialized nation that is way too harmful for the delicate ecosystem in which we live. The earth is being destroyed at a faster rate than many people think. I just did a research paper on this, so Im up to date on the new information. I think its tragic.

we might not be able to save the planet for ever but I think it's possible to keep this planet in acceptable shape untill it's gonna be blown up.

There is a big difference between a slaughterhouse and hunting. Slaughterhouses deny the animal the freedom of life. most slaughterhouse animals never see the light of day, ever. They are killed unfairly, and pretty much pumped with food to fatten them up, and hormones to make them grow quicker.

the result is the same though and that's what I'm talking about. It's unnecessary and nothing will change that.

Hunting, is completely natural. The animals have free range, and their population is plenty big. This is how population control works, via the food chain. this is why humans are overpopulating the earth, etc. The deer that get shot get killed yes, but they still had a life, which was lived as a normal free range animal. And hunting is a sport, so its not all just for the meat, but it is a lot of the reason why we hunt.

There is a difference, so let that be noted. I do not support the torture of an animal, but i do support hunting as a fair sport. But i respect your opinion, and can see your point. Although this is the case in which can be argued that it is the food chain and this is how life was supposed to be made. Slaughterhouses = immoral. Hunting = survival, moral, natural

who says that this is how we were meant to be? Human beings used to be polygamous, cannibals, etc. but that doesn't mean that we are supposed to be like that. We have the freedom to decide, animals don't. I wouldn't call hunting a sport either. That depends how you define sport. I call football a sport...hunting definitely not. And like I said before...the food chain argument to me is no argument.