i think iyou're deemed clinically insane if you trip acid more than 17 times....
Ive heard similar stories to your own, Marshal Bravestar... that's a huge bummer dude...
Still, there has to be a pre-existing shizophrenic condition in someone for drugs to fuck them up so much.... And though ive heard of acid doing that, never heard of pot melting your mind.
ALSO, schizophrenia as an ilness NEVER reveals itself till later in life, in late adolescence/early adulthood, so it's possible that drugs arent even related. Does your family have a history of mental illnesses?

I think you're probably right. I believe one of mum's uncles had some mental health problems so I guess it could be hereditary. Thankfully the rest of my more immediate family are fine. Most of my friends have or do smoke pot and they're all okay so maybe it is just a coincidence. And who knows? Maybe she took a trip or two back at uni and never told anyone.

Never took a trip myself, but I reckon Infinity would sound a lot closer to how it was intended if you were on one!

Lately I'm always listening to 'Suicide' whilst being high. That guitar solo really makes you fly hahaha

yeah, i really like that one.

i've told this one many times, but a couple of years ago (between the releases of SYL and AE), i went to see 'keep it in the family'. i got quite drunk beforehand, and during the show smoked pot and ate a given quantity of mushies. started to feel very nice during dtb. then strapping came on... it was a journey, i can tell ye

I've never done drugs, nor have I ever drank a drop of alcohol in my life. I don't have any intentions of doing any of this in the future either. I mean, at 17 years of age, I'd just totally fuck myself with trying to go to college and shit (hoping to get an athletic scholarship for track...). When I listen to Dev's music, I completely tune out the rest of the world and enter Devin's and if I'm having having a good day or a bad day, I'll be listening to Dev and he say a line in one of the songs that in a sense sums up my day for me. Sometimes, if I'm having personal or just little problems, I listen to his music and somewhere in one of the songs, he'll say something and it's like, "Whoa, he just directly spoke to me and told me my problem and what I need to do to reach a solution to it.". I've told a countless number of my friends, for none of them have ever listened, nor heard of Devin, that if you want to hear music that can directly touch you unlike anything else you've heard, pick up one of his CDs and absorb it.

The thning that makes me think twice about this kind of thing is how all the most memorable moments of my life, both involving music or otherwise, have taken place while completely and utterly sober. Its like, drugs can take you to a special place, but that place is a dead end...they can only take you so far. You can smoke all you want, but you will reach a point where it makes no difference. It IS nice, but it is very limited.

The time when music has really taken me further than ever before have been when I have been listening while extremely happy or sad. Sometimes it has also been when I have been standing before something of such great beauty that I get a high off that alone. Seeing the sun sweep across empty fields in Scotland or seeing the night sky in its full glory (without light pollution!!!) can do this. Its at times like these I have been brought to tears.

Couldn't agree more. This morning I was sitting on the train to school, Infinity playing on my discman. I was almost alone in my compartiment and looking out on a beautiful snow-covered landscape with the morning sun hanging above it, huge and red and surreal. I literally felt weak from the combination of aural and visual beauty for a few minutes.

I've had great times on drugs, but none of those have come close to some of the things I've felt while perfectly sober.

I've never done drugs, nor have I ever drank a drop of alcohol in my life. I don't have any intentions of doing any of this in the future either. I mean, at 17 years of age, I'd just totally fuck myself with trying to go to college and shit (hoping to get an athletic scholarship for track...).

Thats the attitude of a close-minded straight edger. Come on, dont you have self control? Its not like if you do drugs you will automatically become a junky and not care about shit and drop out of school and be a loser for the rest of your life.

I see no problem with the occasional use of drugs. Especially for enlightenment and such. But when the drugs get in the way of your life and you sacrifice major thngs just to get high, then your going down the wrong path and should take a big break. Get serious, it doesnt take that much self control. I smoke weed occasionally, and if i had to stop for the rest of my life, i could easily do it. But i like the occasional high, its a nice break from my stressfull life as a teen. Then their is trippin, i love doing that too. Enlightenment oftentimes comes out of that, and imo it is a great experience. It has actually made my sober life even more enjoyable, and i have developed a new respect for life and nature and such.

Listening to the Dev when on drugs is really amazing. I find it so enjoyable, and its just so chill. Imo, its the best music for drugs, period. And sober too. Its just great music, so uplifting and beautiful.

But i do agree that listening to Dev and looking at nature or sitting back and listening intently is pretty close to getting high sometimes. Its great to just zone out of everything and just feel the beauty of the music. Its better than weed sometimes. But i have been brought to higher levels with devs music, on drugs, and enjoying the beautiful nature scenes.

So you are saying that someone who does not drink, do drugs or anything like that has little self-control? That makes no fucking sense. So what if he's straight-edge? It's not a disease, it's much healthier than what you're doing.

There's no doubt that drugs have influenced a lot of art throughout the ages. But, there also can be no doubt that they are dangerous as well. It's freaking ludicrous to suggest that no one has ever been hurt by smoking pot. You may mean that no one has ever smoked a bunch of pot and died right there on the spot because they smoked too much pot. Sure. Pot is not heroin. But, what about getting high and driving? Surely thousands, maybe more, have died because of driving under the influence.

and studies show that 75% of the people who get in accidents while on weed have consumed 2 or more alcoholic beverages. Im not saying its safe to drive high (i HATE doing it, and avoid it as much as possible), but its not as dangerous as you may think.

oh yea, and yay for psychedelics I re-read the last few pages and saw a few people talking about them. They really do change your life, in a great positive way. Imo, when you are emotionally stable enough, i think anyone should try it at least once. Definitely not for everyone though.

So you are saying that someone who does not drink, do drugs or anything like that has little self-control? That makes no fucking sense. So what if he's straight-edge? It's not a disease, it's much healthier than what you're doing.

no, im just saying that that view on drugs is very close minded. I never said he has no self control for not doing, but i was inferring that if you are the kind of person that would start doing drugs and fuck up your entire life, than you have no self control. Im not making fun of straight edgers, i just hate when people have such negative views on things that they have never experienced or tryed (I have friends that hate metal becauser it all sounds like screaming and death, and the only thing they ever heard was slipknot. Bullshit right? Yea, same thing with drugs buddy). Its not like you cant be a good person ans still do drugs. I hate anti-drug programs for their bullshit (i have "learned" things in DARE and other programs that have been proven totally wrong in scientific studies). and i never said it was a disease man, im just saying dont knock it till you've tried it. Drugs have changed my life for the better, and i wouldnt trade it for the world. and healthier? I rarely ever drink, and thats the only drug i do that is unhealthy. All of the drugs i do have no long term side effects and are completely fine for you. Believe it or not, most drugs are not detrimental to your health. Im talking moderation of course, a lot of pretty much anything can kill you (you can even kill yourself by drinking too much water).

Still, there has to be a pre-existing shizophrenic condition in someone for drugs to fuck them up so much.... And though ive heard of acid doing that, never heard of pot melting your mind.
ALSO, schizophrenia as an ilness NEVER reveals itself till later in life, in late adolescence/early adulthood, so it's possible that drugs arent even related.

Sorry for my possibly bad translation, but I happen to be "schizo-affective" which doesn't amount to outright schizoprhrenia but I could develop a psychosis once I use any drugs, or in general under circumstances of traumatical experiences or extended periods of overexposure to stress. Need to keep watching myself, then anything 'll be just fine. I did smoke pot regularly LONG ago and chances are it does help to trigger strong reactions if you have any "slumbering" disorder. No more for me, period.

As for alc I don't easily develop an addiction it seems... I could be sober for months and just the other day have a few too many and then some without any risk. I guess it all indeed boils down to certain "talents" one might have to fall into drug or alc abuse or addiction...

As for alc I don't easily develop an addiction it seems... I could be sober for months and just the other day have a few too many and then some without any risk. I guess it all indeed boils down to certain "talents" one might have to fall into drug or alc abuse or addiction...

alcohol doesnt really cause addiction too easily. You have to really try and become a heavy drinker. At least thats my opinion. Its really not that great of a drug, and I dont know why their are so many damn alcoholics. I know it causes physical addiction, but you have to be BAD to get any withdrawal symptoms. but other drugs, like painkillers and shit, those are easy to get addicted to. I could binge on oxycodone like theres no tomorrow, but youll never see me drinking the next day after getting drunk.

Its really not that great of a drug, and I dont know why their are so many damn alcoholics.

Because boozahol is damn easy to get your hands on, and it's cheap.

Its really not that great of a drug, and I dont know why their are so many damn alcoholics.

Because boozahol is damn easy to get your hands on, and it's cheap.

so is robitussin

I used to smoke a little bit of weed.

I listened to Accelerated Evolution with my buds, when we were all stoned.

It was a good time. haha.

I choose not to do drugs for I know way too many people that do drugs and nothing good has come out of it for them. I've witnessed it and that's not the road I want to follow. I have other ways of achieving a 'high' without having to resort to drugs or alcohol.

There are two things you hear about drugs....

"They are fun" and "They are bad"

Both are true, but on a scale they always will balance, the ones who abuse the drug they are using will lose that balance and fall more towards the negative effect. No matter what drug you take some effects will harm or tamper with your life. I know I'm speaking the obvious, but if a person uses a drug on occasion and for fun, I see no problem, as long as they are with people they trust, and they are having a good time and aren't uncomfortable, they should purely be for the use of enhancing the entertainment perspective.

I smoke pot, but I smoke it strictly for the following; philosophy, fun, and letting go. Do I smoke it day by day? Nope. Personally if I buy a bag I sample it, enjoy my high alone and then wait to smoke it with friends.

I feel that being with people brightens the mood and flow and sound of music, why? because the difference is better.

I smoke it strictly on occasion, and another reason for that is because people who smoke it alot are calm and just feel like they did yesterday. Where as I'll smoke with them and they'll be freaked out by active humor, I love blowing their minds by being more high than they are, especially when you talk fast or move your arms in a fast motion....Sometimes when I'm high it feels like a start over type of deal. You don't remember. or you just like the feeling, say when the new Shadows Fall album came out, I got high, and it was my first time in a few months doing so.

The atmosphere was taking place inside a dim lighted room at a friends house, I took the head phones, increased the volume and switched the bass on, the album was so much more intense then it was the day I got it, I mean literally, the double bass lines, the guitars, the bass, the vocals, they all fit well with everything...This is where my philosophical state of being appears, as the music was playing, I couldn't help but ponder on everything within the music, the room was one thing, but what I was hearing was the best thing. I know some people will seperate the instruments and lose focus, but I focused on the atmospheres between the dim light and the music, if the room were dark the music would have made me uncomfortable as I would not see much and I'd have to listen to the sounds within the dark.

You're probably asking where the philosphy part went...well, when high and listening to the music, I tend to question myself mentally. Questions that made me think the music was amazing, questions like "How could they make such an art, how did humans come across this type of sound, how come people enjoy a person who screams?"

Each one of them had me asking myself. Yeah, the one about people enjoying the screaming. See I'm a vocalist myself, and I growl and scream and sing, and what captures me is why do some people like that? Is it the anger they feel? Is it the cotastrophic poems they sing about? It's interesting but I somewhat felt stupid actually growling, what makes it a talent? but none the less, I had fun and continued to do what I liked, which was growling.


Another thing, being drunk is odd too...it's not like being high except I feel like staggering, having fun, doing whatever I want. Where as when I'm high I often question myself.

Parties while high.....................These events had me sitting by the camp fire looking at all my friends asking myself "Where do we go from here?" "Will I see my best of friends in a few years?" and sometimes images come with these questions like I see a long road, I feel displaced, and I see mountains....but the sound I heard was, to be honest, I kept hearing that filter song "Where do we go from here?"

Music is just that cool and being high makes it better at points.

Hell, sometimes music is what provides the memories...because this one time, we were at a party and some drunken idiot fell into the fire. It was the most craziest thing, but it was pretty much the biggest memory I have of that party despite the horror of seeing him in the fire, it was quite humorous to hear the chorus of Slave Labor (Fear Factory) playing on the speaker system.

But that's all I seem to really remember that summer, because of the song.

Thats the attitude of a close-minded straight
edger.

Wow, sounds pretentious to me.
I've never done drugs and i don't drink alcohol myself, and i'm not being moralistic to people since everyone can do whatever they want!
I still fail to see how it would be the attitude of a close-minded straight edger!

And my opinion is that i don't need any drug or anything to enjoy what i do or listen to or have a great time.