I used to drink and whatnot. Been sober now 12 years. For me, drinking and other mind-altering substances represent a danger that I just cannot risk. That being said, if you are able to partake of those things and you do it without hurting anyone, then, whatever, go for it. I don't think people should stop taking drugs. I just think *I* shouldn't do drugs or drink.

There's no doubt that drugs have influenced a lot of art throughout the ages. But, there also can be no doubt that they are dangerous as well. It's freaking ludicrous to suggest that no one has ever been hurt by smoking pot. You may mean that no one has ever smoked a bunch of pot and died right there on the spot because they smoked too much pot. Sure. Pot is not heroin. But, what about getting high and driving? Surely thousands, maybe more, have died because of driving under the influence.

Interesting story. I heard a recovered alcoholic tell a story the other night about how he mostly drank at home and by himself. He didn't beat his wife or kids. He didn't lose his job. He paid the bills, etc. But, he was completely emotionally uninvolved in their lives. Nobody died, but there was, and is, obvious damage being done.

Having some experience with pot, I can suggest that, used in excess, it could easily hurt people because you're just not available to them anymore. So, maybe rather than saying that drugs are great, we could say that they have some dangerous aspects and people should recognize that. Like most things, excess is dangerous.

Unless you are talking about excessive metal music. Then, it's fucking awesome.

As if you dont do drugs..

I like to listen to music as well as play music while high. It's very nice from time to time just not all the time. I do notice I can hear lyrics much better while high, it seems to let me concentrate on one thing very precisely and kind of blocks out other distractions. Listening to DTB while high is very enjoying to me also, especially Terria, the vocal parts are just so beautiful in that album especially while influenced. Alien is awesome to but that's for discussion in another place.

[Blazingmonga]

Having some experience with pot, I can suggest that, used in excess, it could easily hurt people because you're just not available to them anymore. So, maybe rather than saying that drugs are great, we could say that they have some dangerous aspects and people should recognize that. Like most things, excess is dangerous.

Amen!

I have experienced the 'emotional detachment' from smoking too much. It isnt good!

And also, I am sure I am not the only person who has made themselves physically ill with the stuff. It DOES happen.

Everything in moderation...

Well, I've been tokin' since I was around 15. In my experience, pot is a rather benign "drug". I've never known anyone who has become violent through the sole use of marijuana, nor have I ever done anything I could regret when "under the influence" (now, alcohol, that's a whole other issue!). There are several medical studies, mainly from Europe, that prove that smoking pot is not particularly detrimental to one's health when compared to "approved" stimulants like alcohol or tobacco. While marijuana does affect one's lungs (as would smoking ANY type of herb), it does not kill brain cells. In fact, it's often used by people with epillepsy and chronic migraines because it is apparently helpful in preventing seizures and the like. There is one particular report issued by the British Medical Instute that shows a vast number of experimental results that indicate marijuana's advantages and proves many of the claims stated by it's detractors wrong.

For anyone interested, I would recommend reading "The Cannabis Companion". This book is an overview of the history of marijuana, how it came to be banned and many other humorous tidbits of information on this oft-maligned herb.

Now, I apologize for the lengthy post and will focus on the original theme of this thread.

For me not all music is to be mixed with controlled substances, but thankfully DT's music is by far some of the best one can choose for tripping. This by no means implies that DT's music is not as enjoyable while sober, far from it. It's simply that being high let's one feel this side of music (among other forms of art) that wouldn't normally be percieved in unaltered states of mind.

Once again, apologies for the drab banter... just my view on things.

I smoke a bit of pot (at night...not before driving)

I like red wine at the moment (1 glass at night sometimes)

I like Black coffee

Be careful with drugs...any drug.

Will be sure to

Kris

I never took drugs but now I'm not quite sure......things around me stressing me like..........you....wouldn't believe it.....maybe there will come a day for a "first smoke"

.....upps ...I forgot "Hello to everybody" .......I'm addicted to DTB.

I used to smoke a bit of pot but something pretty awful scared me enough to stop.

My sister had a psychotic episode 18 months ago. She is now a diagnosed schizophrenic.

Whilst there's no real proof, I can't help wondering if it has something to do with her heavy use of pot during her university years. I know Devin comments on this in the lyrics to Noisy Pink Bubbles and it has been suggested in the media also so maybe there's some truth behind it.

Such a waste of such a beautiful person. She may never fully recover. So even if it does make certain music sound cool, is it worth the risk just to get high?

Sorry to sound like I'm preaching but it's devastated our family who are very close. I think Dev's music is a far more uplifting experience when sober anyhow.

That is truly horrible. I hope for your sister's recovery... hope for the best for you and yours...



There is plenty of research about marijuana's links to dementia... so far, all that is said is that, should there be a history of mental disease in one's family or if one has been diagnosed with any form of mental illness, one should not dabble into drugs. Nothing much other than that so far, really.

Other drugs, however, are more closely associated with dementia. Mainly Acid. Apparently, it leaves some sort of residual effect that kicks in randomly afterwards, even if a person tries it only once. I've read that people who have acid even once are considered "clinically insane" (makes me wonder about some friends).

Some people who did LSD in the 70's suddenly get high again for no apparent reason, and crashes their cars. Quite tragic.

I think that's possible. I know people who dropped acid during their college days and still see "tracers" every now and then.

I see tracers on Nyquil, so I don't need to try anything else.

I see tracers when it's cold outside. I still haven't figured out what they are, but I suspect they are ripples or frost in my tears.

That is truly horrible. I hope for your sister's recovery... hope for the best for you and yours...



There is plenty of research about marijuana's links to dementia... so far, all that is said is that, should there be a history of mental disease in one's family or if one has been diagnosed with any form of mental illness, one should not dabble into drugs. Nothing much other than that so far, really.

Other drugs, however, are more closely associated with dementia. Mainly Acid. Apparently, it leaves some sort of residual effect that kicks in randomly afterwards, even if a person tries it only once. I've read that people who have acid even once are considered "clinically insane" (makes me wonder about some friends).

Thank you for your kind words. It's so sad because she was one of my best friends for a long time. When I got into Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, she would borrow that shit off me and before long she was buying stuff like Napalm Death and Messhugah! She was a good guitarist and could actually do death metal vocals. Of course we argued, but she was a really cool sister! I miss her loads and just want her back to how she was.

Maybe you need to be pre-disposed to such illnesses like you suggested. They might not even have anything to do with it, but it put me off drugs permanently, and I rarely drink now too. You have to re-evaluate what's important in life when something like this happens. It makes you sit up and say "Shit! I have so much more than I ever give credit for. What the hell am I doing?"

For anyone reading this, thanks in advance for being cool about letting me get this out here. I know it's not that relevant, but I guess I just needed to say it. I reckon everyone on here's cool (hell, you like Devin!), so I feel comfortable talking about it without the risk of getting flamed.

I used to smoke a bit of pot but something pretty awful scared me enough to stop.

My sister had a psychotic episode 18 months ago. She is now a diagnosed schizophrenic.

Whilst there's no real proof, I can't help wondering if it has something to do with her heavy use of pot during her university years. I know Devin comments on this in the lyrics to Noisy Pink Bubbles and it has been suggested in the media also so maybe there's some truth behind it.

Such a waste of such a beautiful person. She may never fully recover. So even if it does make certain music sound cool, is it worth the risk just to get high?

Sorry to sound like I'm preaching but it's devastated our family who are very close. I think Dev's music is a far more uplifting experience when sober anyhow.

There is a link to pot use and schizophernia particularly when people start at the age of around 14-16 (formative mental years).

i think iyou're deemed clinically insane if you trip acid more than 17 times....
Ive heard similar stories to your own, Marshal Bravestar... that's a huge bummer dude...
Still, there has to be a pre-existing shizophrenic condition in someone for drugs to fuck them up so much.... And though ive heard of acid doing that, never heard of pot melting your mind.
ALSO, schizophrenia as an ilness NEVER reveals itself till later in life, in late adolescence/early adulthood, so it's possible that drugs arent even related. Does your family have a history of mental illnesses?