Talk about whatever you want to here, but stay correct
#273720 by _oppuld
Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:27 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry7toSjjgXE

Somehow I doubt mercury (neuro-toxin) is good for you, but mainstream science seems to suggest otherwise. Of course scientists need funding to do their research, but let's not make everything a conspiracy. I personally would avoid injecting a large dose of mercury into my child if I were to have one.

Sure, a lot of conspiracy theories are "out there", but it doesn't make you insane to keep an open mind.
#273727 by BrunoN
Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:25 am
_oppuld wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry7toSjjgXE


This chanell's smorgasbord for conspiracy theorist - GMOs, chemtrails, even 911 in the channel name. Places like that are kind, uh, average sources of scientific data.

_oppuld wrote:Somehow I doubt mercury (neuro-toxin) is good for you


Well, water's harmful too, depending on the dose.

_oppuld wrote:but mainstream science seems to suggest otherwise. Of course scientists need funding to do their research, but let's not make everything a conspiracy. I personally would avoid injecting a large dose of mercury into my child if I were to have one.


Wasn't thimerosal replaced with something different in most of the vaccines anyway? Also - farmaceutic industry may be shady as anything else, but still holds more credibility than dudes yelling at sheeple on the internet.

_oppuld wrote:Sure, a lot of conspiracy theories are "out there", but it doesn't make you insane to keep an open mind.


It kinda does if you let every insane idea in.
#273728 by swervedriver
Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:34 am
BrunoN wrote:
_oppuld wrote:Somehow I doubt mercury (neuro-toxin) is good for you


Well, water's harmful too, depending on the dose.

_oppuld wrote:but mainstream science seems to suggest otherwise. Of course scientists need funding to do their research, but let's not make everything a conspiracy. I personally would avoid injecting a large dose of mercury into my child if I were to have one.


Wasn't thimerosal replaced with something different in most of the vaccines anyway? Also - farmaceutic industry may be shady as anything else, but still holds more credibility than dudes yelling at sheeple on the internet.

It's been replaced or brought back to trace amounts. A good distinction here is that it's also about complexed mercury, which is not as dangerous as the pure metal which you find in (old) thermometers.
#273732 by _oppuld
Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:47 am
The link was to a video about vaccines, not about a youtube user and what his personal interests are. I think you're dismissing anything that is associated with the word conspiracy, such as 9/11.. You don't have to watch a 9/11 film and research architecture to know that buildings don't collapse uniformly if something impacts it somewhere in the middle. Not to mention tower 7 which caught some debris and also had a demolition-like collapse. Was it an inside job? How would I know? I just know that all the facts were not presented to the public and that the stars would've had to have been aligned for a group of terrorists to have pulled that off.

Open mind does not mean literally opening your mind and accepting every idea as fact. It means keeping an open mind to ideas presented by people who have spent more time than you actually examining information, extrapolating and forming conclusions (yeah, I know, that's why it's not FACT and is THEORY). Look at what is presented as fact in textbooks and changes from decade to decade and mistakes are conveniently white washed.

Thanks swervedriver. My sister is due soon, that's one less thing to worry about. The increase in autism may be linked to many environmental factors, exposure and methods of diagnosing autism as well.
#273734 by BrunoN
Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:30 am
_oppuld wrote:The link was to a video about vaccines, not about a youtube user and what his personal interests are. I think you're dismissing anything that is associated with the word conspiracy, such as 9/11.. You don't have to watch a 9/11 film and research architecture to know that buildings don't collapse uniformly if something impacts it somewhere in the middle. Not to mention tower 7 which caught some debris and also had a demolition-like collapse. Was it an inside job? How would I know? I just know that all the facts were not presented to the public and that the stars would've had to have been aligned for a group of terrorists to have pulled that off.


Yep perhaps I shouldn't judge the content by that - but I don't have, let's say, Swervy's chemistry knowledge and have to base on credibility of source - and this kind of stuff puts me right away.
#273744 by Antiyou
Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:23 am
BrunoN wrote: Also - farmaceutic industry



You should ask your doctor if there is a vaccine for spelling errors. I'm sure GSK will produce an untested, rushed to market version to stop this horrible outbreak. In fact, the WHO is about to declare a pandemic outbreak of misspellings. GET IN LINE NOW BEFORE GLOBAL VACCINATION SUPPLIES DRY UP!!!

Seriously, there is middle ground between tinfoil hatters and people that believe anything that is spoonfed to them by an elected official. If you want to live your life not questioning your gov't, go ahead. It's done wonders for eastern europe in the past.

Furthermore, my mother-in-law was on oxygen for a year after complications stemming from the Swine Flu vaccination nearly destroyed her respiratory system. As I was watching her approach death in her quarantined room, I thought about how lucky I was that modern medicine was here to protect me from these outbreaks.
#273750 by Tyroshai
Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:45 am
Antiyou wrote:
BrunoN wrote: Also - farmaceutic industry



You should ask your doctor if there is a vaccine for spelling errors. I'm sure GSK will produce an untested, rushed to market version to stop this horrible outbreak. In fact, the WHO is about to declare a pandemic outbreak of misspellings. GET IN LINE NOW BEFORE GLOBAL VACCINATION SUPPLIES DRY UP!!!


While you're at it, see if there's a cure for being so far up your own arse that you feel the need to correct someone's spelling (for whom English is not their first language) instead of coming up with legitimate proof to substantiate your argument.
#273752 by BrunoN
Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:51 am
Antiyou wrote:
BrunoN wrote: Also - farmaceutic industry



You should ask your doctor if there is a vaccine for spelling errors. I'm sure GSK will produce an untested, rushed to market version to stop this horrible outbreak. In fact, the WHO is about to declare a pandemic outbreak of misspellings. GET IN LINE NOW BEFORE GLOBAL VACCINATION SUPPLIES DRY UP!!!


Tried to get one for being non-native speaker, but gotta admit it doesn't work very well.

(snarky comments aside, good catch - I'll try to watch myself better)

Antiyou wrote:Seriously, there is middle ground between tinfoil hatters and people that believe anything that is spoonfed to them by an elected official. If you want to live your life not questioning your gov't, go ahead. It's done wonders for eastern europe in the past.


I don't see the Soviet occupation as a situation parallel to anything that happens on the west now. But even with that, there was quite an anti-governmental opposition in Eastern Europe, and it wasn't merely a fringe movement - pretty much everyone knew the situation was clearly shit :>. And revolutions of '89 created governments of beardy oppositionists.

Antiyou wrote:Furthermore, my mother-in-law was on oxygen for a year after complications stemming from the Swine Flu vaccination nearly destroyed her respiratory system. As I was watching her approach death in her quarantined room, I thought about how lucky I was that modern medicine was here to protect me from these outbreaks.


Yes, that's terrible. But there were also millions of victims of, let say spanish flu, that'd happily risk the side effects.

Feel free to poke fun of any of my misspellings.
#273762 by Billy Rhomboid
Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:09 am
_oppuld wrote:As for vaccines, there is an ingredient in vaccines that wasn't around when most of us were born that has been shown to cause autism.



As for anti-vaccine nutjobs, there's a former doctor by the name of Andrew Wakefield who 'showed' a link existed between MMR vaccine and autism. And then was found in court to have falsified all of the evidence for his findings, and to have had massive conflicts of interest including being paid by people trying to make bogus insurance claims against MMR vaccine manufacturers. He was found guilty of fraud and struck off as a doctor by the British Medical Council.

One of the consequences of his fraudulent quackery for profit was a massive increase in incidence of measles, whooping cough and rubella among children in the US and UK, where these diseases had previously been all but eradicated, with more than 90% of the cases being children whose idiot parents had not had them vaccinated.
#273767 by Octillus
Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:25 am
besides, there was a massive under-reporting of autism in the past, and kids who were autistic were just blanket statement referred to as mentally-retarded, which simply isn't true.
#273772 by Billy Rhomboid
Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:33 am
Antiyou wrote:Seriously, there is middle ground between tinfoil hatters and people that believe anything that is spoonfed to them by an elected official. If you want to live your life not questioning your gov't, go ahead. It's done wonders for eastern europe in the past.



Seriously, this is indeed true. However, if you want to believe in lizardmen or aircraft contrails brainwashing the populace then that is all well and good, you are doing no harm to anyone. If you decide to risk the life and health of children by denying them vaccinations on the basis of some bullshit you read on the internet, it is probably better you don't have children.
#273780 by Octillus
Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:16 am
Billy Rhomboid wrote:
Antiyou wrote:Seriously, there is middle ground between tinfoil hatters and people that believe anything that is spoonfed to them by an elected official. If you want to live your life not questioning your gov't, go ahead. It's done wonders for eastern europe in the past.



Seriously, this is indeed true. However, if you want to believe in lizardmen or aircraft contrails brainwashing the populace then that is all well and good, you are doing no harm to anyone. If you decide to risk the life and health of children by denying them vaccinations on the basis of some bullshit you read on the internet, it is probably better you don't have children.


+1

I'm of the George Carlin mindset: Think critically and question everything but have some damn common sense.
#273793 by ppinkham
Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:23 am
Octillus wrote:besides, there was a massive under-reporting of autism in the past, and kids who were autistic were just blanket statement referred to as mentally-retarded, which simply isn't true.


I also believe there is a massive over-diagnosing going on right now, as well. The slightest social dysfunction will now have its own section under the ever-broadening umbrella term 'autism.' It will end up causing a desensitization of the term that will make it much more difficult for those with serious forms of the condition to get the help they need.

Shit, I was even diagnosed as autistic for simply being a social moron.
#273845 by mrbean667
Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:20 pm
Something I find amusing is the arrogance of people who criticise religion, while believing that vaccinations cause autism, based on the rantings on some internet site.

Octillus said it perfectly. Be critical of everything, but have common sense.
#273894 by Antiyou
Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:23 am
Billy Rhomboid wrote:
Antiyou wrote:Seriously, there is middle ground between tinfoil hatters and people that believe anything that is spoonfed to them by an elected official. If you want to live your life not questioning your gov't, go ahead. It's done wonders for eastern europe in the past.



Seriously, this is indeed true. However, if you want to believe in lizardmen or aircraft contrails brainwashing the populace then that is all well and good, you are doing no harm to anyone. If you decide to risk the life and health of children by denying them vaccinations on the basis of some bullshit you read on the internet, it is probably better you don't have children.



Never once did I mention autism. I just read the white papers produced by GSK (but it was published by GSK on their website... so, stupid me I guess) for the Swine Flu shot. Simply put, they admit it was not significantly tested on human subjects and did not know the extent of the possible side effects. Governments overreacted, bought up all the supply and then held a media blitz to scare the population into getting vaccinated. And seriously, if you want to use the old "good of the many vs. good of the few" argument, you have a better chance of being hit by a car than contracting the Swine Flu so by your logic, none of us should drive cars. Way to participate in the groupthink fearmongering. Why don't you organize an angry mob to hold down and forcefully innoculate all those that read and think for themselves?
My decision to remain childless had nothing to do with my competancy as a parent. It had everything to do with the morons my child would be surrounded by. Why put someone through that? Especially someone you are supposed to love and protect. I'm not stupid enough to have an unplanned child, I don't own a farm so I have no need for labourers, nor am I selfish enough to have one knowing full well, they have very little chance of matching my quality of life.

BrunoN, it wasn't my intent to make a jab at the spelling error itself. It was implied sarcasm to illustrate the hysteria and overreaction caused by relatively insignificant things like a spelling error. The inflection of my voice does not translate well to keyboards. Sorry for any offence.
Tyroshai, read above, notice that I didn't even correct the spelling. Check on a vaccine for overreaction. :wink:

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