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#273626 by BrunoN
Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:07 am
Antiyou wrote:Back before the interwebs were on everyone's phone, fridge, dryer etc. he wrote books. Icke's theories have been all over the place from completely rational to batshit crazy. Sometimes I wonder if the batshit crazy part is intentionally meant to offset the truths he has exposed.
For instance, here is a map of the bloodlines surrounding the central banks of Europe and how they relate to the ruling class in the US... now everyone watch the news tonight so when Regan takes off his human mask, you can see I was right about the lizard people. You all saw the bank bloodlines chart right?
It's hard to articulate but the above is what I believe his intentions are. Throw some wacko shit out there to make himself look nuts while still disseminating nuggets of truth and knowledge. Maybe he does it for fear of reprisal from those he exposes. Maybe he is spreading disinformation and actually works for the people he claims to despise. I don't think we'll ever know.
Anyways, him, Jones and unfortunately Jesse Ventura are in the sensationalizing business. Maybe, half of what they say has merit, however, the delivery method is poor and when it is for financial gain, it must be questioned.
Do I believe there is a completely different world that the general public doesn't know exists? Absolutely I do. Can anyone do anything about it? I don't think so until there is a civil war in the US that spreads through Europe. For anything to change for the better, entire governments and business models will have to be dismantled and rebuilt. That will require many deaths and years of chaos. There will also need to be some hard truths examined. Someone will have to address the lunacy that is Israel and take all ethnic or historical emotions out of the equation.
Until there are checks and balances to govern based on what is best for HUMANITY rather than CORPORATIONS, change can't happen and we will continue to enslave the earth for plastic trinkets and weapons contracts.


I'm not really getting the point of obscuring the true (and sane) message by acting like a loon and lacking any credibility at all. There surely is a way to expose stuff, just have a solid evidence and show it somewhere (even anonymously, there are ways after all) - creating the communities of mentalists producing lame photoshops of chemtrail planes and mining quotes doesn't look like a good way to achieve anything. Corporations probably have nasty influence on the world, but I doubt they'll be destroyed by tinfoil hatters.

By the way, all that talk about a need for violent revolutions and civil wars in developed countries look sorta odd. And they're often heard from the (at least) middle-class folks. "Ooorah, to the barricades! In my SUV, just after I finish fucking around on my iphone 4."
#273631 by bassbait
Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:34 am
Conspiracies - all of them are ludicrous, most of them are false.

But the ones that are true go unnoticed for a long time, and are usually political or social, and NOT supernatural.


The least believable conspiracy theories, in my opinion, are that 9/11 was planned, and that all famous people are lizards trying to take over the world. Also, the theory that Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landing and subliminally encoded his films to reveal the moon landing as a hoax. That one is just retarded.


Somewhere in the middle is the assassination conspiracy theories, where they're sort of believable, but not a lot of evidence to support them.


Up close to the top are political conspiracy theories that the government (in my case, US) is doing things behind the scenes that most citizens (in my case, Americans) wouldn't approve of. Previous conspiracy theories being revealed to be true usually are about government scandals, so unless the theories are supernatural or completely unbelievable (such as 9/11 being planned), I'll usually look into government scandal theories enough to decide for myself if what the people are saying is a possibility, which most of the time, it isn't.

However, the MOST believable conspiracy theories are the ones that are proven true, such as the conspiracy to assassinate Lincoln and it being a larger scheme to greatly injure the Union's government, Project MKULTRA, and Operation Paperclip.

I don't know much about conspiracy theories outside of America, like in, for example, Canada or Britain, but inside of America, there are some crazy things that really happened, so I don't label ALL conspiracy theories as full of crap. Usually, just the ones that include the words "illuminati", "freemason", "lizard", or "antichrist".
#273635 by Faffy
Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:08 pm
Antiyou wrote:
Faffy wrote:
Antiyou wrote:Stop breeding and vaccinations won't be an issue. One can choose to believe drug companies or not. I personally do not. I lived through Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS without a vaccination. I will continue to refuse until it proves to be necessary or safe.

Gee... maybe because lots of people around you got vaccinations... no? :P
I'm not saying people should take take vaccinations without questioning... but parents who deny their children protection from polio, tuberculosis, measles and such just pisses me off. These vaccinations are proven to work, and children who don't get them are at risk of getting these diseases, and some of them die. It's just not nice. I'll just leave it at that. Not in a debate-y mood today. : P


Personally, I believe it was because I refused to introduce a virus coctail into my system that required human intervention to re-surface, but to each their own...

Furthermore, pertaining to my "hard truths" comment above, I sincerely feel that the more people objectively looked at the purpose of breeding and the likely outcome of their offspring's quality of life, they may make different decisions. At least when presented with evidence, they could make a more informed decision. I just got back from lunch at a mall where I saw the daily parade of baby-mamas who can barely exist on their own (I guess by exist I mean be a functioning, literate, coherent and productive member of society). Great chance those kids have...

Everything on this earth has been trying to kill us for thousands of years. The more science we throw at it to try to stop it, the more ways the natural world will develop to try again. It's as simple as lip balm or "chapstick's" effect on one's lips. Your lips naturally moisten themselves. When you apply man's moisture concoction (double entendre intended), your body diverts the energy it used to moisten your lips to something else as it is no longer needed. When we run out of oil, there are going to be some awfully chapped lipped people walking around.

Uh.... WHAT? :?
I hope you're not doing the old "vaccines are tampering with the natural balance of things" trope..?
#273643 by Antiyou
Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:01 pm
Faffy wrote:
Antiyou wrote:
Faffy wrote:
Antiyou wrote:Stop breeding and vaccinations won't be an issue. One can choose to believe drug companies or not. I personally do not. I lived through Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS without a vaccination. I will continue to refuse until it proves to be necessary or safe.

Gee... maybe because lots of people around you got vaccinations... no? :P
I'm not saying people should take take vaccinations without questioning... but parents who deny their children protection from polio, tuberculosis, measles and such just pisses me off. These vaccinations are proven to work, and children who don't get them are at risk of getting these diseases, and some of them die. It's just not nice. I'll just leave it at that. Not in a debate-y mood today. : P


Personally, I believe it was because I refused to introduce a virus coctail into my system that required human intervention to re-surface, but to each their own...

Furthermore, pertaining to my "hard truths" comment above, I sincerely feel that the more people objectively looked at the purpose of breeding and the likely outcome of their offspring's quality of life, they may make different decisions. At least when presented with evidence, they could make a more informed decision. I just got back from lunch at a mall where I saw the daily parade of baby-mamas who can barely exist on their own (I guess by exist I mean be a functioning, literate, coherent and productive member of society). Great chance those kids have...

Everything on this earth has been trying to kill us for thousands of years. The more science we throw at it to try to stop it, the more ways the natural world will develop to try again. It's as simple as lip balm or "chapstick's" effect on one's lips. Your lips naturally moisten themselves. When you apply man's moisture concoction (double entendre intended), your body diverts the energy it used to moisten your lips to something else as it is no longer needed. When we run out of oil, there are going to be some awfully chapped lipped people walking around.

Uh.... WHAT? :?
I hope you're not doing the old "vaccines are tampering with the natural balance of things" trope..?


Diseases are natural organisms like the earth and us. When they become ineffective, they evolve or become dormant and something more effective takes their place. I don't presume that we are intelligent enough to "tamper with the natural balance of things" as you put it. I think the natural balance of things tampers with us. Everything around us (from single celled organisms to wooly mammoths) have forces working for and against it. My intention was to say that innoculating for a certain disease may (or may not) protect you from one but there is going to be another one around the corner that will require another vaccination. Either live in a constant state of vaccinations or get none at all. Who is better off? You're full of vaccines, I am not. We're both still alive...
#273653 by Faffy
Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:24 pm
Antiyou wrote:
Faffy wrote:
Antiyou wrote:
Faffy wrote:
Antiyou wrote:Stop breeding and vaccinations won't be an issue. One can choose to believe drug companies or not. I personally do not. I lived through Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS without a vaccination. I will continue to refuse until it proves to be necessary or safe.

Gee... maybe because lots of people around you got vaccinations... no? :P
I'm not saying people should take take vaccinations without questioning... but parents who deny their children protection from polio, tuberculosis, measles and such just pisses me off. These vaccinations are proven to work, and children who don't get them are at risk of getting these diseases, and some of them die. It's just not nice. I'll just leave it at that. Not in a debate-y mood today. : P


Personally, I believe it was because I refused to introduce a virus coctail into my system that required human intervention to re-surface, but to each their own...

Furthermore, pertaining to my "hard truths" comment above, I sincerely feel that the more people objectively looked at the purpose of breeding and the likely outcome of their offspring's quality of life, they may make different decisions. At least when presented with evidence, they could make a more informed decision. I just got back from lunch at a mall where I saw the daily parade of baby-mamas who can barely exist on their own (I guess by exist I mean be a functioning, literate, coherent and productive member of society). Great chance those kids have...

Everything on this earth has been trying to kill us for thousands of years. The more science we throw at it to try to stop it, the more ways the natural world will develop to try again. It's as simple as lip balm or "chapstick's" effect on one's lips. Your lips naturally moisten themselves. When you apply man's moisture concoction (double entendre intended), your body diverts the energy it used to moisten your lips to something else as it is no longer needed. When we run out of oil, there are going to be some awfully chapped lipped people walking around.

Uh.... WHAT? :?
I hope you're not doing the old "vaccines are tampering with the natural balance of things" trope..?


Diseases are natural organisms like the earth and us. When they become ineffective, they evolve or become dormant and something more effective takes their place.

Uh.... or maybe they just cease to exist - which is a lot more probable. You know... considering how most living things go extinct.

Antiyou wrote:I don't presume that we are intelligent enough to "tamper with the natural balance of things" as you put it. I think the natural balance of things tampers with us. Everything around us (from single celled organisms to wooly mammoths) have forces working for and against it. My intention was to say that innoculating for a certain disease may (or may not) protect you from one but there is going to be another one around the corner that will require another vaccination. Either live in a constant state of vaccinations or get none at all.

Constant state of vaccinations, yes please.

Antiyou wrote:Who is better off? You're full of vaccines, I am not. We're both still alive...

And REALLY? You REALLY don't think the reason you don't have polio or tuberculosis have anything to do with people around you being vaccinated? There's a reason why diseases like the measles are breaking out in communities where the parents deny their children vaccination.

Today, in the developed world, we live twice or three times as long as our ancestors - thanks to vaccinations (and better hygiene). I suppose the reason people who don't get vaccinations also live that long is just sheer coincidence or magic or something...eh?

Also... the whole "natural way of things" trope is just bullshit. As if our evolutionary history should make us fit to deal with these diseases. In an evolutionary perspective, the diseases we vaccinate against are rather new - because most of them are derived from domestic animals (http://science.jrank.org/pages/48403/De ... sease.html), which humans have been keeping only in the past 6000-10000 years. Considering that our species is 200 000 years old, that's 3-5% of our evolutionary history.

In addition to that, these diseases have only existed in certain parts of the world (like America) only for the past few centuries). When humans have lived more than 95-99% of their history without these diseases - it IS NOT tampering with the natural ways of things when trying to prevent these diseases with vaccinations.
#273665 by lunarsea
Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:09 pm
Maybe we're quarantined from the rest of the Universe cause we're violent f*cks. Random thought. :coucou:
#273676 by mrbean667
Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:44 pm
Vaccinations? Probably the most benign government measure on the planet.
#273689 by _oppuld
Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:11 pm
BrunoN wrote:
_oppuld wrote:In response to David Icke, I think he spreads a lot of misinformation. There is evidence that he was/is a freemason, not to say every freemason is evil, it just raises questions about what agenda he is trying to promote. Confuse people seeking the truth, or share the information he has found without bias. A lot of what David Icke has said years ago has become scientific theory (such as the perception of frequencies by the brain and how we perceive our present reality) and predictions about actions the elite would take.


Any sources on that "scientific theory" bit? I'm having a hard time believing this dude's able to produce anything rational. He looks like a proper mental case.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWWQKU_-G0 Maybe that's why he hasn't been shot yet, lol. There was this former MI5 agent (sort of a British CIA) who went on crusade of spreading the truth, had to go on the run, and eventually he appeared in a video wearing all white claiming he was god. Now he just spreads misinformation and is a lunar.

Antiyou wrote:**edited addition for a post that was added as I typed this**
Stop breeding and vaccinations won't be an issue. One can choose to believe drug companies or not. I personally do not. I lived through Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS without a vaccination. I will continue to refuse until it proves to be necessary or safe.


I have mixed feelings about having kids, but who am I to tell someone not to have demon spawn? Some people just want to share their life with children or something.. or the condom broke. As for vaccines, there is an ingredient in vaccines that wasn't around when most of us were born that has been shown to cause autism. Creating immunities for certain diseases is not a bad idea really.. it's better creating a natural immunity in the body than giving someone an antibiotic down the road. The thing that causes the problems is what they put in the vaccines.
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#273691 by _oppuld
Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:25 pm
lunarsea wrote:Maybe we're quarantined from the rest of the Universe cause we're violent f*cks. Random thought. :coucou:


Uhhh.. ever hear of the Prime Directive? We haven't invented the warp drive yet, so no other species is allowed to make contact with us. The rogue aliens that do are the bad guys or had a malfunctioning ship that punched a hole in the wrong part of the space-time continuum (talk about the wrong planet eh?).
#273698 by mrbean667
Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:41 pm
OK, how's this for downright hilarious? http://www.thedrp.org/

These people believe that digimon exist, and that we are being shielded from the Digiworld by the governments. I wish I still believed in Digimon.
#273716 by BrunoN
Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:10 pm
_oppuld wrote:I have mixed feelings about having kids, but who am I to tell someone not to have demon spawn? Some people just want to share their life with children or something.. or the condom broke. As for vaccines, there is an ingredient in vaccines that wasn't around when most of us were born that has been shown to cause autism. Creating immunities for certain diseases is not a bad idea really.. it's better creating a natural immunity in the body than giving someone an antibiotic down the road. The thing that causes the problems is what they put in the vaccines.


As far as I know autism thing is almost as legit as that Worldwide Lizardmen Conspiracy. Popular amongst "alternative medicine" fans, but hardly scientifically proven.

BTW conspiracy theories can be a little tiring when you're too close. Since the Polish presidential plane crashed in Russia year ago this shit is national pastime. There are theories ranging from Russians shooting down the plane with an orbital laser to the latest one, about swapping the damn atmosphere near the airfield with helium. Fucktons of helium.

There's even blog with quotes from those juxtaposed with Monty Python screengrabs. It's brilliant.

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