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#273421 by Lettuce
Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:09 am
That's not a conspiracy theory, that's just sustaining business. Have you ever wondered why everything's so damn cheap these days? People these days will buy technology willy nilly and not give it a moment's thought when it breaks. I bought a £250 portable media player in 2007 and it broke after 20 months, I contacted the makers (Creative) and instead of giving genuine concern that such an expensive device had such a short lifespan, they offered me a discount on my NEXT model. If you buy something that's made quickly and cheaply overseas, then it's gonna have flaws.

For example; I have a Nikon D700, and a friend of mine had a Nikon D40. The D700 cost me £3,000 at the time, and the D40 cost my friend £300. They're both SLR cameras made by the same company, so why such a big price difference?
This is purely down to manufacture cost and location. Her D40 was manufactured in China with a plastic body, grabbed off the shelf in Argos and evidentially sustained irrepairable damage when dropped. My D700 was manufactured in Japan with a magnesium alloy body, had to be ordered in specifically at my local camera shop, and suffered an even greater drop (some stupid bint at a tradeshow knocked it flying in January) and the only thing to fall casualty was the UV filter on the lens that's there for that very reason. Even though the D700 is ten times the price, the profit margin is a much much smaller percentage than the D40; purely because it cost a lot of money to develop and produce, but they still want to be able to sell it. The D40 is much more inexpensive, so it's much more appealing to the everyday joe who wants an SLR camera, therefore more units will be sold. When my dad was a pro photographer many centuries ago, the only people he knew with SLR cameras was him and my uncle, because they were so damned expensive to buy, they were bought as professional equipment. Now everyone and their mum has an SLR because they're cheap to make and cheap to buy. His Nikon F is like, 40-something years old and still works perfectly, yet my friend's D40 died after 2 years. Just a disposible economy, nothing eerie about it.

Oh yeah, speaking of my dad; he said the following re: Freemasons if anyone's interested:

"It's like a gentlemen's golf club...without the golf."
#273430 by Billy Rhomboid
Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:34 am
Define conspiracy theory.

JFK was not killed by Lee Harvey Oswald but by persons unknown. Sound plausible? Conspiracy theory or orchestrated cover-up?
Princess Diana's death - Royal family hitjob or drunk driver?

In the former Soviet Union, prior to Perestroika, school history books taught that the Second World War began in 1941 with Operation Barbarossa. Prior to that there was no war in Europe at all. Germany and Russia specifically were not allies and did not invade Poland.

Violet, I never thought I would see the word 'sustaining' in relation to built-in obsolescence.
#273431 by Lettuce
Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:54 am
Well...sustaining in regards to the survival of the business :P If you bought a lightbulb every 20 years instead of once or twice a year, there'd be a lot of lightbulb manufacturers out of business...and to be honest, do you really care that much? Built in obsolescence is there, we know it exists, and it's purely down to cheapness of production and encouraging the public to buy more shit. I know my TV will pack in JUST IN TIME to buy an even bigger and better model, and my high-end gamer's laptop is just over two years old and already a steam-powered pile of garbage. My washing machine (which did actually have a long life) packed in a few weeks ago, and I thought "lol...you can't possibly make AN EVEN BETTER washing machine...". Well, I was wrong, my new one's a frickin' robot. I was perfectly content with my previous one, but since getting the new one I couldn't imagine life without my LCD panel and 12 minute cycle options. Buying shit that breaks all the time is what makes the world go round!
#273449 by aleksi
Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:51 pm
Lettuce wrote:That's not a conspiracy theory, that's just sustaining business.

I have a theory that lightbulb makers have conspired in secret meetings, perhaps even behind closed doors while wearing satanistic cloaks, and purposely made their product weak in order to steal your money. :mrgreen:

Buying shit that breaks all the time is what will make the world more like fallout games.

See? My theory even has evil people putting it into action.
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#273451 by Lettuce
Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:12 pm
OH NO I HAVE TO BUY A NEW LIGHTBULB, MY LIFE IS FOREVER FUCKING DOOMED. CURSE YOU CORPORATIONS!!!!!
#273454 by Billy Rhomboid
Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:40 pm
Lettuce wrote:...and to be honest, do you really care that much?


Well, yes I do actually. A lot.

Lettuce wrote: Built in obsolescence is there, we know it exists, and it's purely down to cheapness of production and encouraging the public to buy more shit.


And why? because we have an economy based on teh concept of growth at all costs. Profit to shareholders. Who gives a fuck how quickly we are using up the world supply of dilithium crystals? The public will buy the iPadPodPhone 87 because the 86 is sooooo last month, and our shareholders will all be happy cause profits and dividends will be up so they can buy bigger houses and property prices will go up and up and everybody will be richer than ever. Well, perhaps not those little Asian people we have making the things for half a yuan a day in conditions that make them commit suicide at lemming rates, but fuck 'em, plenty more where they came from. It's the capitalist way! And it works!

Lettuce wrote: Buying shit that breaks all the time is what makes the world go round!


Depending which part of the world you are in - and pretty soon its going to bring the world as we know it to a shuddering halt. It s a great corporate lie. It is evil, soul-sapping and destructive.
#273457 by flood_of_rain
Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:24 pm
I definitely believe there are plenty conspiracies out there which definitely do exist, but at the same time, there are so many insanely unbelievable scenarios out there, that it's enough to scare any average person away from the topic! :shock:

I do believe in aliens and believe that they had a hand in shaping our past in some way (the ancient astronaut theory) but i still can't quite grasp the David Icke reptillian shape-shifting aliens from the hollow earth theory and how the global elites and british royal family are all connected with lizard blood :lol:
not to diss anyone who believes in it, its just something that i think average people would read and as a result, completely disregard conspiracies as a whole.

one thing i have always had a firm belief in is conspiracies in the world of medicine and how many cures for illnesses have been suppressed by the powers that be, because it would interfere with the money they make from treating terminal illnesses, curing people wouldn't be good business, right?

I watched a documentary a while back called "a beautiful truth" which was about cancer and the treatment that Dr Max Gerson developed well over 60 years ago.
he had the belief that many major illnesses like cancer could be reversed and cured by simply changing your diet. sounds crazy, but i found it fascinating :) check it out if you guys are curious!
#273495 by _oppuld
Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:20 am
The light bulb example probably wasn't the best one, although I've heard of light bulbs manufactured in the early 20th century lasting for many decades. I think the point was that inferior products are being created nowadays in the name of profit. It has nothing to do with the best product in the marketplace earning the best company the most money (the original idea of capitalism). It has more to do with advertising - take a Gucci bag that probably took $10 to manufacture, maybe higher quality stitching, but costs 100x the price of a similar bag that cost $5 to manufacture. Remember when you were a kid and you had that microwave that your parents had since they were first married? And now the microwave you had in your apartment last year had to be replaced after a few years. The idea is to produce as many products as possible, and to dispose of the old and bring in the new, which isn't very 'economical'.

The Nikon example is a pretty good one, but certain countries are known for producing higher quality goods. Like Japanese and German engineered cars. Also take note that you had to specially order your camera and it wasn't on the shelf at the store.

In response to David Icke, I think he spreads a lot of misinformation. There is evidence that he was/is a freemason, not to say every freemason is evil, it just raises questions about what agenda he is trying to promote. Confuse people seeking the truth, or share the information he has found without bias. A lot of what David Icke has said years ago has become scientific theory (such as the perception of frequencies by the brain and how we perceive our present reality) and predictions about actions the elite would take. He himself has said he isn't a prophet, he just understands the agenda better than most. Unfortunately, he often goes off on tangents about things like reptilians that may detract people from more important issues.. does it matter if the "elite bloodlines" are partially 8 armed space squids, or is it more important what their intentions are for our future? Who knows if he is being misinformed by certain people to discredit him or if he is just too up front about all of his findings, whether substantiated or not.
#273587 by flood_of_rain
Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:34 am
I feel that Both, Alex Jones and David Icke have their own agendas with what they do.
Alex spends a lot of his time sensationalising everything and making people feel as if they are too hopeless to do anything about it and he is making a killing off selling his bogus DVD's that never quite answer any questions, they merely dance around the topic and paint a picture of doom and gloom.

Icke is doing a "lecture" here in Australia in september or october. tickets go for $87 per head. must be making a killing from this, provided he can fill the seats :P
#273597 by BrunoN
Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:51 am
_oppuld wrote:In response to David Icke, I think he spreads a lot of misinformation. There is evidence that he was/is a freemason, not to say every freemason is evil, it just raises questions about what agenda he is trying to promote. Confuse people seeking the truth, or share the information he has found without bias. A lot of what David Icke has said years ago has become scientific theory (such as the perception of frequencies by the brain and how we perceive our present reality) and predictions about actions the elite would take.


Any sources on that "scientific theory" bit? I'm having a hard time believing this dude's able to produce anything rational. He looks like a proper mental case.
#273604 by Faffy
Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:43 am
My problem with conspiracy theories is just that... they are theories. If not... they would be called conspiracies. I'm not saying they are all bullshit... but until there's no good evidence, I'm just gonna live as if they are.
Sure... there might be things going on that we don't know shit about.. but uhm... conspiracies? Really? People can't even put a cigar in someone's vajayjay nowadays without news papers knowing about it.

The conspiracy theories that annoy me the most are the ones against vaccines. VACCINATE YOUR KIDS YOU STUPID FUCKS!
#273610 by Antiyou
Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:26 am
BrunoN wrote:
_oppuld wrote:In response to David Icke, I think he spreads a lot of misinformation. There is evidence that he was/is a freemason, not to say every freemason is evil, it just raises questions about what agenda he is trying to promote. Confuse people seeking the truth, or share the information he has found without bias. A lot of what David Icke has said years ago has become scientific theory (such as the perception of frequencies by the brain and how we perceive our present reality) and predictions about actions the elite would take.


Any sources on that "scientific theory" bit? I'm having a hard time believing this dude's able to produce anything rational. He looks like a proper mental case.



Back before the interwebs were on everyone's phone, fridge, dryer etc. he wrote books. Icke's theories have been all over the place from completely rational to batshit crazy. Sometimes I wonder if the batshit crazy part is intentionally meant to offset the truths he has exposed.
For instance, here is a map of the bloodlines surrounding the central banks of Europe and how they relate to the ruling class in the US... now everyone watch the news tonight so when Regan takes off his human mask, you can see I was right about the lizard people. You all saw the bank bloodlines chart right?
It's hard to articulate but the above is what I believe his intentions are. Throw some wacko shit out there to make himself look nuts while still disseminating nuggets of truth and knowledge. Maybe he does it for fear of reprisal from those he exposes. Maybe he is spreading disinformation and actually works for the people he claims to despise. I don't think we'll ever know.
Anyways, him, Jones and unfortunately Jesse Ventura are in the sensationalizing business. Maybe, half of what they say has merit, however, the delivery method is poor and when it is for financial gain, it must be questioned.
Do I believe there is a completely different world that the general public doesn't know exists? Absolutely I do. Can anyone do anything about it? I don't think so until there is a civil war in the US that spreads through Europe. For anything to change for the better, entire governments and business models will have to be dismantled and rebuilt. That will require many deaths and years of chaos. There will also need to be some hard truths examined. Someone will have to address the lunacy that is Israel and take all ethnic or historical emotions out of the equation.
Until there are checks and balances to govern based on what is best for HUMANITY rather than CORPORATIONS, change can't happen and we will continue to enslave the earth for plastic trinkets and weapons contracts.

**edited addition for a post that was added as I typed this**
Stop breeding and vaccinations won't be an issue. One can choose to believe drug companies or not. I personally do not. I lived through Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS without a vaccination. I will continue to refuse until it proves to be necessary or safe.
#273614 by Faffy
Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:32 am
Antiyou wrote:Stop breeding and vaccinations won't be an issue. One can choose to believe drug companies or not. I personally do not. I lived through Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS without a vaccination. I will continue to refuse until it proves to be necessary or safe.

Gee... maybe because lots of people around you got vaccinations... no? :P
I'm not saying people should take take vaccinations without questioning... but parents who deny their children protection from polio, tuberculosis, measles and such just pisses me off. These vaccinations are proven to work, and children who don't get them are at risk of getting these diseases, and some of them die. It's just not nice. I'll just leave it at that. Not in a debate-y mood today. : P
#273625 by Antiyou
Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:07 am
Faffy wrote:
Antiyou wrote:Stop breeding and vaccinations won't be an issue. One can choose to believe drug companies or not. I personally do not. I lived through Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS without a vaccination. I will continue to refuse until it proves to be necessary or safe.

Gee... maybe because lots of people around you got vaccinations... no? :P
I'm not saying people should take take vaccinations without questioning... but parents who deny their children protection from polio, tuberculosis, measles and such just pisses me off. These vaccinations are proven to work, and children who don't get them are at risk of getting these diseases, and some of them die. It's just not nice. I'll just leave it at that. Not in a debate-y mood today. : P


Personally, I believe it was because I refused to introduce a virus coctail into my system that required human intervention to re-surface, but to each their own...

Furthermore, pertaining to my "hard truths" comment above, I sincerely feel that the more people objectively looked at the purpose of breeding and the likely outcome of their offspring's quality of life, they may make different decisions. At least when presented with evidence, they could make a more informed decision. I just got back from lunch at a mall where I saw the daily parade of baby-mamas who can barely exist on their own (I guess by exist I mean be a functioning, literate, coherent and productive member of society). Great chance those kids have...

Everything on this earth has been trying to kill us for thousands of years. The more science we throw at it to try to stop it, the more ways the natural world will develop to try again. It's as simple as lip balm or "chapstick's" effect on one's lips. Your lips naturally moisten themselves. When you apply man's moisture concoction (double entendre intended), your body diverts the energy it used to moisten your lips to something else as it is no longer needed. When we run out of oil, there are going to be some awfully chapped lipped people walking around.

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