Woah! Good lord, it's a cheeseburger!!!
#266402 by HevyMinik
Thu May 12, 2011 4:06 am
NFF wrote:
mrbean667 wrote:Having never heard a 5.1 album, I can't have an opinion, but Decon seems perfect for a surround mix. All that stuff going on, damn, that would be godly.
SW would hands be down the one to do it.

However, would surround kill the intended sound? As we only have two ears, stereo is supposed to be more than enough to give us a '3D' image. But please correct me if that's wrong.


and for MR been yes you are correct.. instead of a 5.1 encode i'd rather have dev record the next album in binaural (dual mics set in a dummy head with ears) which would give you the realistic soundstaging. if dev did that i'd be the first metal album to be recorded binauraly. (ki is the only album that really has any soundstage but thats due to its minimalistic mix and content its really hard to get soundstage with a wall of sound.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwUVCXH ... re=related

binaural microphone. they use microphones set into dummys with realistic shaped ears and ear canals to record sounds like we hear them thus producing extremely accurate spatial distance and accuracy
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Mnemic mixed "Deathbox" into binaural audio. Mercenary mixed a song or two from "11 Dreams" in binaural audio. And some engineers use the binaural microphone for tracking the ambience of drums :guitar:
#266418 by Spades
Thu May 12, 2011 5:20 am
SupraKarma wrote:I'm with Dev, I prefer Ghost. For me it's definitely the best of the 4 DTP albums, by far. Ki had one of the best Devin songs ever (Terminal), but Ghost is more solid as an album.
Most of the heavy stuff Dev tries to do nowadays (or in the last years) doesn't sound natural. There's this constant annoying staccato guitar chug paired with vocals that has become the new-hevydevy trademark. After Alien, i didn't care for any heavy songs made by him, they're all same-y and boring. Couple that with the devy-arpeggios, and you got yourself a bad recipe. It's a pity, but i prefer if Devin sticks to clean atmospheric stuff.
If he someday decides to do more heavy stuff, he should listen to City or Alien and compare it to Ziltoid or Decon, and maybe he'll see why the former are revered as classics.
Also, humor quickly becomes dated, even if Devin thinks that it works as a metaphor, it fails when it's overused. Just look at the humor in all Devin releases, and spot which albums had the most impact - the ones where the humor was subversive and less in your face.
Devin's music works best when it doesn't have a clear concept around it, and definitely when it doesn't pretend to be something else.
Personally, the music should always speak for itself, alone.


I don't really think the humour dates in all cases. Maybe stuff like Bloodhound Gang but Mr. Bungle's self-titled album had silly, immature toilet humour all through it and it still stands strong regardless after 20 years.
#266426 by Pik_Nick'92
Thu May 12, 2011 6:16 am
I'm just as excited as anything to hear ghost. Just to see what colourful, soothing music Dev will land us with after the chaos of Deconstruction. I reckon, if anything he's more suited to doing stuff like ambient, calming Ki-style music nowadays.
Its great to hear him pump out a few heavy tunes here and there, but I think atm, his vocals and creative mind seems to be set on different stuff. Mind you, I still love the cheesy, toungue-in-cheek metal that Decon/Ziltoid has to offer. I actually want more of that too. Maybe a bit of both stuff, I can't decide. Dev, just do anything :lol: .

On another note, Planet Of The Apes is just ear-piercing stuff. The Meshuggah part is just hilarious and that part at 5:55 is like nothing I've heard before :) .
#266431 by robvondoom
Thu May 12, 2011 6:59 am
I was looking forward to Ghost more but upon hearing this low-res version of Decon I'm salivating at the thought of how the actual CD will sound.
In the end I know I'm gonna love both equally but for very different reasons. And a few the same.
#266436 by Voradin
Thu May 12, 2011 7:32 am
I wish people could get out of thinking of music as being or not being in certain boxes.... eg, it's "heavy" (or it isn't), etc... when you label something, you are saying what it isn't as much as what it is.

So we have Devin coming to grips with the fans who want/demand/would politely like to have more HevyDevy/SYL stuff, and his "metal" friends in the business and former bandmates who don't get the whole "I can't do that anymore because it's not really me" thing, and perhaps on some level (unconsciously or not) Dev feels the need to try to please his fans, out of gratitude for their support, guilt, fear of losing income, or any host of other reasons.

However this leads to some sort of rebellion against all this, "why can't I just do what I want to do?", and what might have been a somewhat serious concept gets laced/"sabotaged" with toilet humor, perhaps as a means of keeping himself from sliding into the black hole of that SYL-era mindset, not unlike an alcoholic being around liquor for the first time in a long time... gotta break the tension somehow, and what better way than in a way that, as another poster opined, gives a big F You to pretentious metal?

Meanwhile, Devin wonders, "what do I want to do?... what do I want to do?". Can anyone really truly separate what they want from themselves apart from what they think others expect of them? And those of us who say "We love you Dev no matter what you do!", do they really mean it? How many of those people would be ok if everything he did from here on out sounded like Ki? Or like The Hummer?

Why do we have to see things as "heavy" or "not heavy"? Why does this "Decon" vs. "Ghost" approach have to exist? Dev's remarks almost make it sound like he did Decon as much because he felt there was a demand for another heavy record as he had a need to get it out of his system. He sounds like he doesn't even like "heavy" (there we go labeling again) stuff anymore, but does it because he feels he has to. According to who? Who is making him do "heavy" stuff, if he feels like he's having to pretend his way through it? This all reminds me alot of what Justin Broadrick went through when he had a mental breakdown, ended Godflesh, and started Jesu, which was a totally new direction... not that I think Dev is having a breakdown, but maybe he is at a bigger crossroads musically than any of us realize.

I guess I'm odd in that I find Decon neither exhausting nor overwhelming, if anything I'm kinda glad that someone finally came out with a record that has enough going on to keep my mind busy without leaving part of it to wander about thinking of random unpleasant topics... it even has a bit of a Danny Elfman feel to it, I could completely see this being the soundtrack to some Tim Burton movie. I think the cover art suits the music perfectly.

Meanwhile, since Dev seems to love bass guitar so much, and since I am a bass player myself, I think it would be really cool to hear an album written by him but from a bass perspective; in other words, Dev locks himself up for a couple of weeks with a bass (no guitar!) and writes music on the bass, and then builds the rest of the music around that.

And I'm still waiting for him to dive deep into something largely electronic.
#266452 by ppinkham
Thu May 12, 2011 8:25 am
Voradin wrote:I guess I'm odd in that I find Decon neither exhausting nor overwhelming, if anything I'm kinda glad that someone finally came out with a record that has enough going on to keep my mind busy without leaving part of it to wander about thinking of random unpleasant topics... it even has a bit of a Danny Elfman feel to it, I could completely see this being the soundtrack to some Tim Burton movie. I think the cover art suits the music perfectly.


Not odd at all. Exactly the way I feel.

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