I identify with all of you. I come from a death/extreme/core/whatever metal background, so I know how challenging some of it is too play, but alot of it has become so unoriginal and boring. I'm not sure if I just grew out of it because I'm not that angry anymore, or what. If I do listen to it, it's for effect...like, workout music. I still think most bands these days are doing a poor job at being extreme. It just doesn't have any humanity anymore. Like, how much tighter can you get? How much higher of a noise gate setting can you get? How much faster? Somewhere along the line, the concept of originality or writing a good song has been lost. Shit, Morbid Angel was heavier than ANY of these bands in the late 80s!! Or, what about the grindcore scene? I dunno. It is personal preference I guess, but I still haven't heard a band more extreme than Discordance Axis, and they didn't have a bass player! They weren't the fastest either...but that dangerous energy they had has a way of seeping into your veins, and it wasn't about how tight or fast they are (Edit: or about the skill level of playing)... I dunno, maybe I'm full of it.

Dev doesn't have a place in that kind of music. He suits himself just fine. The problem I have with Entropy's argument is that most Patton fans will immediately say that Patton would be great for any band. He is versatile(as his recordings with DEP show) but he cant be some vocalist whore who just goes to every band so a few people can be happy with the band's vocals. The thing is, Misha likes Spencer's vocals. Acle likes Dan's vocals. They both started their respective bands, and we have no say and what goes down with them. Of course we all have our opinions on who sounds better and whether or not we see them fitting the band.

If you want to hear Patton-esque vocals in a rhythmically based band, wait for Textures' next album with the singer from Cilice.

Of course not. Dev would sound silly in that context, I think. But I didn't mean that I wanted a big name to come in and lead the band. I just would like to hear someone with that versatility and skill (someone like Patton, etc.) because I think I would like it more. I'm not saying they should actually change, and it's not like they're going to. I'm just expressing the opinion that I would like to hear a different style of vocals over that djent-y style of music, not that Acle and Misha are idiots who clearly made the wrong choices.

Cilice's singer is mediocre and not as good as Erik. His (low) harsh vocals sound like Nathan Explosion, which is funny, but I don't think it's his intent.

My overall point is just that I respect the music (& guitar work) of Periphery, Tesseract, etc., but I don't feel that the quality of their vocalists matches the rest of the music, and I'd like to hear someone (even a new act) utilize a different vocal style in the genre.

Singers are always gonna be hugely hit and miss really. You can change your guitar tone or switch around your style of playing bass or drums or whatever but with a singer you've sort of got your voice and what you can do with it is what you can do with it... Sure you can improve but you can't just have the immediate change in output that an instrument can have. Nobody could ever hope to keep everyone happy...

I'd rather hear Cynic's vocals from Focus on this djent-y stuff. I think would actually be quite cool. Anyway, the bolded bit says it best.

I'd rather hear Cynic's vocals from Focus on this djent-y stuff. I think would actually be quite cool. Anyway, the bolded bit says it best.

I completely understand all of your points, the reason I only quoted this one is because I agree. It would be really cool to hear Cynic style vocals on one of these bands...but not all of them. I'd also like to hear one djent-style band with only harsh vocals(besides Meshuggah, who has totally moved away from the "djent" style heard on Chaosphere)

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Sorry. Just doesn't do it for me either, and I'm decidedly MUCH younger than that dinosaur Billy.

You're also more boring

The way I see it, if you're not even that big a fan of newer metal, you should just stay out of the conversations because you'll obviously do nothing but berate it in the end.

Eh, I dunno about that. It's not that I'm ignorant to this newer style... I mean, I grew up with the drummer of Son of Aurelius, and they're getting pushed pretty hard these days. And, it's definitely the style my new roommates are trying to emulate... to the point of injury in the case of my buddy Sam.

I'm getting kinda tired of it, is all. I like some of the tech stuff, but for the most part I find it dull. What's kinda cool are some of the byproducts of this era, such as Animals as Leaders, since they're y'know, musical.

Also, it's not like I'm in ur base killin ur doodz in the Tesseract or Periphery threads.

Being a musician who writes on the more technical side, I can definitely tell you both Tesseract and Periphery are very "musical". Yes they use different styles of "musicality" than Animals As Leaders but that's part of their sound. Both bands were the precursors to the clones that are out there. Both have been around longer than any of them and still, in my opinion, are the beacons of the sound whether you like it or not. Most djent style music is extremely rhythm based(that's not obvious or anything) so it comes down to precise musicianship in the end. Which I most definitely respect, especially since they stray from saying "oh we're technical we haz shredz!1"

Dan mentioned grindcore, I am not a fan of it but there are plenty of people who are. I dont even like the "-core" prefix because it's incredibly stupid and over used. There really isn't even any explanation for what the "-core" means in a genre. The best conclusion I've come to is that it means there are breakdowns in it.

Also, Dan, I wouldn't really call bands like Periphery and Tesseract "angry" because none of their lyrics have the angst of nu-metal bands and most radio bands.

I hope all of that makes sense, I'm kind of typing on a coffee buzz right now.

Cilice's singer is mediocre and not as good as Erik. His (low) harsh vocals sound like Nathan Explosion, which is funny, but I don't think it's his intent.

Mediocre? Damn that's some serious standards. I was genuinely relieved when reading that dude got job in Textures - really like the timbre and dynamics in his voice.

I'll risk the opinion the problems with vocalists discussed here are caused by the fact they're young and sound young (and angry). Kid-sounding vocals (counting not-deep enough harsh bits) won't fit well in such music, especially when you're a bit older listener :>

I dont even like the "-core" prefix because it's incredibly stupid and over used.

and it's a suffix, not a prefix.

It's true, i couldn't play half the stuff you kids can play, even at half the speed. On the other hand I have a full life and eat well.
Although I admit even when I was your age I was not the hottest guitarist on the block either, mainly because I had girlfriends and fun and stuff. Like most things in life, it's a trade-off. I have almost certainly had much more quality sex with much nicer women than Yngwie Malmsteen ever has, and, y'know, whilst he can sweep through those harmonic minor scales like I never will be able to, I'm happy with that trade off.

Octillus, you aren't nearly as suave either.

I was more responding to Octillus' screedly wee chug comment...straying a bit from djent bands and more referring to angry and technical playing, and bands that do the above mentioned screedly wee chug thing. Eh fuck, don't listen to me. I don't care anyway.

...and to clear that up, I find a difference between djent and screedly wee chug.

I dont even like the "-core" prefix because it's incredibly stupid and over used.

and it's a suffix, not a prefix.

It's true, i couldn't play half the stuff you kids can play, even at half the speed. On the other hand I have a full life and eat well.
Although I admit even when I was your age I was not the hottest guitarist on the block either, mainly because I had girlfriends and fun and stuff. Like most things in life, it's a trade-off. I have almost certainly had much more quality sex with much nicer women than Yngwie Malmsteen ever has, and, y'know, whilst he can sweep through those harmonic minor scales like I never will be able to, I'm happy with that trade off.

Octillus, you aren't nearly as suave either.

That's definitely a my bad on that one. I had only been up for just over an hour and was still kind of tired

You do make some good points, though.

Cilice's singer is mediocre and not as good as Erik. His (low) harsh vocals sound like Nathan Explosion, which is funny, but I don't think it's his intent.

Mediocre? Damn that's some serious standards. I was genuinely relieved when reading that dude got job in Textures - really like the timbre and dynamics in his voice.

I'll risk the opinion the problems with vocalists discussed here are caused by the fact they're young and sound young (and angry). Kid-sounding vocals (counting not-deep enough harsh bits) won't fit well in such music, especially when you're a bit older listener :>

I like his mid- and high-range harsh stuff (especially that digadiga-dow thing), and he sounds a little like Patton sometimes, in a cheap way. But those low growls just made me think of him as a joke, and I haven't been able to appreciate him as much ever since hearing that. To be fair, "mediocre" was a bit too pejorative, but I still don't know that he can fill Erik's shoes.

And the problems you're talking about with the other vocalists is a significant part of why I don't like them.

But those low growls just made me think of him as a joke, and I haven't been able to appreciate him as much ever since hearing that.

Are you talking about low growls like the song "Drone" on Deranged Headtrip? I thought those sounded ridiculous. But, the rest of his vocals are great. That song sort of sucks and sounds out of place. I always skip over it.

Duke University, place where the Usenet began, shuts its server down

http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2010/05/usenet.html

Sign of times. Where's the emoticon for shedding a tear, when you need it?

My mattress is broken beyond repair. Have to get a new one today. Ten years of loyal servitude... Simply irreplaceable.

Also I have an Archaeology Theory exam that, according to various archaeology lecturers in the college, "we'll be doing well to pass". Great news when the marks for this year constitute 33% of the final degree mark.

My mattress is broken beyond repair. Have to get a new one today. Ten years of loyal servitude...
Also I have an Archaeology Theory exam t

Thank heavens it isn't an English language exam.

Figured servitude was an appropriate phrase given the punishment it's taken over the past decade... Subjected to my increasing levels of fat...

In a show of Microsoft superiority, my PC seems to be utterly buggered. If I try to open my account, it freezes up and nothing loads. I can get onto my brothers, but everything is running really slowly. Tried to system repair, wouldn't let me. Tried to system restore, won't let me do that. I'm running a full scan, but I'm fearing I may have to run to my dad, tears welling from my eyes, and show that I'm still utterly inept with technology. Yaaaaaay.