Our common public knowledge of physics is all fucked up to, to keep us 'in control'.

More than just physics. The fact that the main form of geometry used around the world is still Euclidean is fucked up all in itself.

Yeah, dissaproved by Lovecraft himself.

Man those creationist "scientist's" are hilarious. Funny stuff, definitely worth checking out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvprBLhJ ... 6D&index=4

Man those creationist "scientist's" are hilarious. Funny stuff, definitely worth checking out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvprBLhJ ... 6D&index=4

HA Hovind, he is truly hilarious. Even as a christian who believes in God as Creator, I say Hovind is an embarrassment to Christ, the Church, and Science.

Even as a christian who believes in God as Creator

lollercaust

I'm a (noob)skeptic when it comes anything that tries to explain the world.

I think that in the end, Science is as good in explaining the world as is any religion. You have to just believe something in both of them.

For example, in Christianity, you assume the holy book is more or less directly from God and his ultimately true knowledge. Then you ground everything else on that book.

In Science you assume that your perceptions are true. Then you base everything else on those perceptions.

Personally I feel that I'ts a lot easer to believe in your own perceptions than in a book someone else told you to believe in.
But something being easier to believe in doesn't prove it right. You still have to take that "leap of faith" to get your system of thoughts working.

So believe what you want to believe. Just believe.

In Science you assume that your perceptions are true. Then you base everything else on those perceptions.

Personally I feel that I'ts a lot easer to believe in your own perceptions than in a book someone else told you to believe in.
But something being easier to believe in doesn't prove it right. You still have to take that "leap of faith" to get your system of thoughts working.

Not really. There are some assumptions that science makes (the observable is real, and not just in my head. I'm not hooked up to the Matrix.), but those are hardly a leap of faith, no more than it takes faith to conclude that standing in front of a moving train is an unsafe thing to do.

Science isn't based purely on human perceptions. Basing your views purely on human perception would be extremely bad science, as it's extremely unreliable. Science relies on rigourous testing of the available evidence, and results from experiments that have been proven time and time again to be repeatable.

Science is reliable, to the extent that the computer sitting in front of you really exists.

I'm glad to see this kind of discussion going on...Most people think that religion should never be brought up in conversation, so it's refreshing to see people actually talking about it rather than constantly crucify each other.


I am an Asatruar. I follow the old gods (Odin, Thor, Freya, Etc.). I do not bow down and cower before my Gods, for they have taught me to stand equal with them. I was, however, raised Catholic and it wasn't until I was much older that I decided to travel down this path. Monotheism left a bad taste in my mouth and I hated the idea that I was "born" into a religion and not given a choice to believe in what resonated with me more. I read the Sagas and the Lore and I saw metaphors and teachings that I could apply to my life. I don't see "Holy Writ" or any BS like that. I don't honestly believe that Odin, Vili and Ve killed a giant and created Midgard out of his corpse. I can dig through the Eddas and see what they're trying to say rather than their face value.

Although I am Polytheistic, I am a lover of Science, Reason and Knowledge. I love all forms of science and think that it is detrimental that mankind doesn't throw Reason to the four winds just because you believe in God/Gods. I see it like this: Science is a wonderful and beautiful tool to observe and study the physical aspects of our reality. Faith is another wonderful tool to observe and study one's inner nature.

The Cosmos is an interesting place and I'm not really worried if I'm right or wrong. I'm not worried about death. I understand with my faith, that now is the time to enjoy and now is place to be. If I plan all my life for an afterlife that I may or may not go to, I am wasting what time on Midgard I've been afforded. I will enjoy a life full of wonder and knowledge through both Science and Asatru.

I raise a horn to you guys here, Hail!

(AND MAY YOUR ROADS BE PAVED IN SAUSAGE)

I don't honestly believe that Odin, Vili and Ve killed a giant and created Midgard out of his corpse. I can dig through the Eddas and see what they're trying to say rather than their face value.

and what are they trying to say in that specific example?

I don't honestly believe that Odin, Vili and Ve killed a giant and created Midgard out of his corpse. I can dig through the Eddas and see what they're trying to say rather than their face value.

and what are they trying to say in that specific example?

Well with the creation of Midgard, I was just using it as an example of me not blindly believing in a Creation Myth because I happen to follow a particular religion. It's really how the Germanic people explained how things on the earth came into being (the sky, mountains, etc)

Well yes, i realise that, but so is 'and the Lord created the Earth in 6 days and on the 7th day he rested'.

Okay, what about Fenrir biting Tyr's hand off, what do you see that as saying? Other than don't stick your hand in a wolf's mouth whatever he promises...

Well yes, i realise that, but so is 'and the Lord created the Earth in 6 days and on the 7th day he rested'.

Okay, what about Fenrir biting Tyr's hand off, what do you see that as saying? Other than don't stick your hand in a wolf's mouth whatever he promises...

Well, mostly I see a form of sacrifice (which is big deal in the Lore, especially with Odin). Tyr gave up his hand as a form of payment or wyrguild (or however it's spelled) for a broken oath. Since Tyr is considered a God of War, the lose of his sword hand is a big deal (as is Freyr's parting with the only weapon that can defeat Surt during the Ragnarok, his sword) but he sacrificed it for the good of the Aesir and mankind. So in all, that particular story talks of sacrifice.


Is this 20 questions or something? hahaha

Although he wasn't actually expecting Fenrir to bite it off. Can sacrifice be unwitting?

It's more like 34 questions actually.

And that's just for the Poetic Edda.

Nice, are you Asatru as well? or just well versed in Lore?

Nice, are you Asatru as well? or just well versed in Lore?

I'd bet my money on well versed. Why wouldn't he? There are some kick-ass stories in edda.

...Or maybe Thyrfing and Moonsorrow have brainwashed me.

hahaha, I agree with you, they are very kick ass