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#195596 by funny_little_guy
Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:24 am
elvendio wrote:
Nam Taf wrote:
elvendio wrote:No wav. files are the best actually they are the original recordings and always the best quality don't downgrade to flak. Big is good because the audio quality. I wish all music was available in wav. files with today's hard drive space.

Thanks so much I can't wait to hear this!

FLAC is 100% lossless. That is, there is no information loss. Converting a file from WAV to FLAC and back to WAV will result in a completely identical (try it and SHA-1 or MD5 or CRC32 it) file, so long as you don't add ID3 tags or the like. There is absolutely no change whatsoever.

I don't think you quite grasp what FLAC is about or indeed have much knowledge about 'audio quality' as a general principle.


Yes FLAC is very good and while not completely lossless it is losslessy. When you compress the file to FLAC you partially damage the file. When yopu play back the FLAC file you essentially are playing the same wav file back but it's not perfect.With a good set of monitors and a good ear you can easily hear the difference.

Try recording a flack file in Wavelab then the same wav file and compare the difference when you stretch out the wav. Not completely identical same are they. FLAC is very good and I use it myself and is often said to be identical to wav. It's close but not identical.

Please feel free to flame me some more.


No FLAC is Lossless as in without loss. As in sounds exactly the same. As in is exactly the same information. No. Just no.
"Notable features of FLAC:
Lossless: The encoding of audio (PCM) data incurs no loss of information, and the decoded audio is bit-for-bit identical to what went into the encoder. Each frame contains a 16-bit CRC of the frame data for detecting transmission errors. The integrity of the audio data is further insured by storing an MD5 signature of the original unencoded audio data in the file header, which can be compared against later during decoding or testing."
#195604 by NFF
Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:47 am
90% of my collection is flac. it is by far a boon to the digital audiophile. what would make me shit bricks would be a 96khz/s flac version but we will never get that so im quite happy with the wav's sure their huge but im glad you thought of us by uploading a lossless version. i cry with joy because of it. thanks for not encodeing.
#195606 by Taskusorsa
Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:51 am
Thank you, Mr Townsend !

All the songs were great but I especially loved the jam thing. Dev should make whole album of that.
Oh yeah, loved the drum sounds too, propably the best I've ever heard.
#195607 by Feehan
Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:58 am
im listening to the fender test atm

synchronicity freaks is a reallllly feaking (eh!) cool song, would of be sweet if it was on the album. i really enjoyed the jam to and im loving the tones on this fender test love how it has the bit from ki in it!!

anyways thanks alot for this dev, you are to good to your fanbase!
#195610 by Biert
Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:09 am
elvendio wrote:
Nam Taf wrote:
elvendio wrote:No wav. files are the best actually they are the original recordings and always the best quality don't downgrade to flak. Big is good because the audio quality. I wish all music was available in wav. files with today's hard drive space.

Thanks so much I can't wait to hear this!

FLAC is 100% lossless. That is, there is no information loss. Converting a file from WAV to FLAC and back to WAV will result in a completely identical (try it and SHA-1 or MD5 or CRC32 it) file, so long as you don't add ID3 tags or the like. There is absolutely no change whatsoever.

I don't think you quite grasp what FLAC is about or indeed have much knowledge about 'audio quality' as a general principle.


Yes FLAC is very good and while not completely lossless it is losslessy. When you compress the file to FLAC you partially damage the file. When yopu play back the FLAC file you essentially are playing the same wav file back but it's not perfect.With a good set of monitors and a good ear you can easily hear the difference.

Try recording a flack file in Wavelab then the same wav file and compare the difference when you stretch out the wav. Not completely identical same are they. FLAC is very good and I use it myself and is often said to be identical to wav. It's close but not identical.

Please feel free to flame me some more.

Where exactly did you find this information? I want reliable sources, cuz I'm having none of it.
#195611 by catharsis
Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:15 am
geez what a great birthday present!
#195615 by BrunoN
Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:50 am
Biert wrote:
elvendio wrote:Yes FLAC is very good and while not completely lossless it is losslessy. When you compress the file to FLAC you partially damage the file. When yopu play back the FLAC file you essentially are playing the same wav file back but it's not perfect.With a good set of monitors and a good ear you can easily hear the difference.

Try recording a flack file in Wavelab then the same wav file and compare the difference when you stretch out the wav. Not completely identical same are they. FLAC is very good and I use it myself and is often said to be identical to wav. It's close but not identical.

Please feel free to flame me some more.

Where exactly did you find this information? I want reliable sources, cuz I'm having none of it.


Yeah. As far as I know FLAC is as lossy as zip compression.

(and Synchronicity is ace by the way)
#195621 by MiKanou
Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:53 am
BrunoN wrote:
Biert wrote:
elvendio wrote:Yes FLAC is very good and while not completely lossless it is losslessy. When you compress the file to FLAC you partially damage the file. When yopu play back the FLAC file you essentially are playing the same wav file back but it's not perfect.With a good set of monitors and a good ear you can easily hear the difference.

Try recording a flack file in Wavelab then the same wav file and compare the difference when you stretch out the wav. Not completely identical same are they. FLAC is very good and I use it myself and is often said to be identical to wav. It's close but not identical.

Please feel free to flame me some more.

Where exactly did you find this information? I want reliable sources, cuz I'm having none of it.


Yeah. As far as I know FLAC is as lossy as zip compression.

(and Synchronicity is ace by the way)


I must know nothing, and all the people I know too, cos that's also my thought
#195623 by Lost Soul
Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:59 am
Eh Devin, the songs which you offer us in download, will be the ones that we shall find on the disc bonus of the boxset???
#195633 by robvondoom
Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:15 pm
Well, whichever one is better, these bonus tracks have convinced me to convert my CDs to the same format. You can close your eyes and feel like you're in the practice room hearing it being jammed around you.

Already re-ripped Alien and Mozarts Requiem and all I can say is a slightly bemused and muffled "Holy Shit!" :shock:

I is converted.

When you can hear the different cymbal notes on a track like Skeksis without losing out on the low end you just can't lose.
#195634 by EphelDuath666
Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:23 pm
whoa....great stuff! Especially 'Oodles' and 'Testing' are really, really cool. I could listen to that type of stuff for hours!

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