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I went to a Christian brothers school and it was a great education. youd have mass and such and there would be talk about god and religion was a compulsory subject but it didnt leak into other subjects where it wasnt relevant. im glad religion was compulsory though. it gave me a vast understanding about not just christianity but all sorts of major religions. not that i beleive in any religion but its good to know.

I have no quibbles with my Church of Scotland education either, it was a good, broad, one and I'm glad I went there to experience that. I'm also glad they confined religion to the RE classes, except where it was part of history lessons. I do remember there was one Catholic girl who attended the school and she didn't take part in the morning assembly - which we could never understand when we were very wee. RE, or RME, is compulsory in schools here too and they have to cover all the major religions and discuss the pros and cons of 'controversial' subjects which is good. Next to the art rooms, the RME room in my son's high school is probably the funkiest to look at, as far as decoration goes.

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Also your religious education makes me feel very cross. That just shouldn't be allowed at all. I'd find it difficult to take my teachers seriously if they were coming out with that kind of dogma in unrelated subjects. However, I would hope that outside of the nonsense the education as far as maths, english, history (post 0 A.D. anyway), etc, goes reasonably well? Deth's rebuttal idea would be good indeed but I get the impression from what you've said that this plan would likely leave you burning in their version of the pits of hell and that your parents would get dragged into it all. I can see how this leaves you feeling somewhat trapped. The other option is just to block it out/ignore it as much as you can and coast through the rest of the education that way. Depends on your personality I guess and how much you can let it flow past without stress. Whichever course you choose... Good Luck!

I went to a private school too but fortunately the religious aspects here were generally confined to a quick blast of some jolly hymn tune at a 10 minute assembly followed by a "Be excellent to each other" type message, or "Wasn't Jesus a cuddly chap!" Hell didn't get mentioned, I'm glad to say. And no mention of religion was made outwith assembly or the couple of R.E. periods in a week.

I just wish, globally, 'faith schools' were not allowed. I'm sure we can encourage moral and ethical behaviour in young people without the various sky fairies being involved at all.

I see no problem in faith based school, as long as they teach you the subjects and keep the religion part to other areas. It just shouldn't be brought into things like science.

And Deth, Ben Stein is the man. I love how he questions everything everyone believes about creationism/evolution/intelligent design.

I used to think faith based was fine, since I grew up in one, but mine was pretty laid back, as I've mentioned. I just see too many establishments nowadays really abusing the thing and, as in Nathan's instance, dragging one view of religion into all the subjects and trying to scare kids into believing, that's just ... wrong. So maybe I'm throwing the baby out with the bath water by saying there shouldn't be any, but I'm just getting a tad cynical in my old age. I wasn't proposing there should be no teaching of religion though. Just keep it as it is in our current system and teach objectively about all the main ones, and some of the minor ones too where possible.

The comedian Ben Stein (I.Q.158) is a 'creationist' who is challanging what he perseves as an attack on anything creationalist or 'intellegent' design. He forms very strong scientific arguments for his opinions. You should do the same. It's a strange world. Who knows?But hopefully you won't just say one thing 'cause' that's what you've been told,or it's the opposite of what you've been told.

There's the guy on youtube, who likes to waste his time on polemizing with creationists, he did few movies discussing Stein's movie. He shows that Stein's using strawman techniques, mistaking abiogenesis with evolutionary science, uttering lines about "science killing people" and generally being a real life troll. I think they're these:

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ihYq2dGa2 ... annel_page
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNGK3y5Y ... annel_page
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8aifay6 ... annel_page
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ7mKkbi0 ... annel_page

Interesting stuff if you have a bit of time to waste.

But, you know, scientifically, we are in a kinda unstable time right now. Many 'rules' we thought were unbreakable we find are very breakable.We are discovering things which do not do what we 'know' and should be doing something else.
I don't believe in supernatual, but I do believe in super science which may one day point the way to 'God' who knows?
They say some people have a ''God' Gene in them that is sensitive to the presense of this type of universal 'vibe' that may drive them crazy to explain it.

Isn't the most of science still based on equations of dudes living, like, fifty years ago? Anyway, I think there's common misconception that trusting science and not faith is arrogant. Religions claim having shit figured out in one book, and the sense of science is admitting that there's stuff you don't know and want to change it, and THAT is kinda humble.

yup, good points!!

Also your religious education makes me feel very cross. That just shouldn't be allowed at all. I'd find it difficult to take my teachers seriously if they were coming out with that kind of dogma in unrelated subjects.

Hear hear.

"To each their own" would be real nice and all but you can't deny that religion affects a believer's actions. I feel that creationism is a dangerous idea and should be fought against. Especially in politics.

Why don't I know any deeply religious people? There's so much I want talk, argue and ask about.

Here's one thing: How come you are so sure you've picked the right one when there are so many out there and pretty much all of them claim that other religions are wrong and they are right. The first commandment in Christianity is a good example. If you want to answer, feel free to pm.

The comedian Ben Stein (I.Q.158) is a 'creationist' who is challanging what he perseves as an attack on anything creationalist or 'intellegent' design. He forms very strong scientific arguments for his opinions. You should do the same. It's a strange world. Who knows?But hopefully you won't just say one thing 'cause' that's what you've been told,or it's the opposite of what you've been told.

There's the guy on youtube, who likes to waste his time on polemizing with creationists, he did few movies discussing Stein's movie. He shows that Stein's using strawman techniques, mistaking abiogenesis with evolutionary science, uttering lines about "science killing people" and generally being a real life troll. I think they're these:

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ihYq2dGa2 ... annel_page
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNGK3y5Y ... annel_page
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8aifay6 ... annel_page
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ7mKkbi0 ... annel_page

Interesting stuff if you have a bit of time to waste.

But, you know, scientifically, we are in a kinda unstable time right now. Many 'rules' we thought were unbreakable we find are very breakable.We are discovering things which do not do what we 'know' and should be doing something else.
I don't believe in supernatual, but I do believe in super science which may one day point the way to 'God' who knows?
They say some people have a ''God' Gene in them that is sensitive to the presense of this type of universal 'vibe' that may drive them crazy to explain it.

Isn't the most of science still based on equations of dudes living, like, fifty years ago? Anyway, I think there's common misconception that trusting science and not faith is arrogant. Religions claim having shit figured out in one book, and the sense of science is admitting that there's stuff you don't know and want to change it, and THAT is kinda humble.

very good points

Oooh this makes me think of when I went to a private school for two years. I was not a happy panda. I hated the dress code. Not that I had a problem wearing a uniform. I just wanted to be able to wear a coat when I was cold and I didnt want to have to wear a short kilt while it was snowing outside. I fought tooth and nail for the teachers to let me wear pants or lets me carry a hoodie to wrap around my knees but they wouldnt let me so for the two years I went there my knees were very cold! At that school they also kept the temperature inside cold so that no one would get sleepy. It wasnt a religious school but I think they went over the top with rules. Kids need express themselves. No colored hair, no piercings, no 'punk' or 'strange' hair styles, no nail polish. We were not alloud to have locks on our lockers because we had to prove that we trusted eachother. At least no one stole my stuff they just stuck rotton food in my locker instead...lol... kids are weird. Because I was the only one that listened to metal music and I would hide in the practice rooms and play rock music durring break people started to think that I was very strange (they were all VERY conservitive). Then once they found out that I was dating another girl that really did them in and lots of crazy rumers got started about me. Rumers that I drank blood and sacrificed animals! I mean Im a hippie for god sake and vegetarian!

Then there was one incident where this guy kept pissing me off and tormenting me. I told him to stop and he didnt. I asked him severel times and then held up a mechanical pencil telling him that if he didnt stop then I would stab him with it. He didnt believe me so I clicked the pencil until there was half an inch of lead sticking out and stabbed it in his arm and broke off the piece of lead so it was stuck in my arm. That was 9 years ago. Other than that I have never done anything violent. I guess I felt that he had "crossed the shit line"

Because Im autistic I got teased in school a lot for being different. Because I had a hard time in the first year of public school my mom thought I would have an easier time in a private school because they had a zero tolerence policy with bullying. But that didnt stop it from happening. It just made it so the kids were more subtle and unoticed with their bullying making it easier for them to get away with it. They tried very hard to push me out of the school. When I was having difficulties with the school work (it was more advanced then the work and public school) the teachers didnt try to help me. They just tried to dump more on me so that I would flunk out. I was barely passing and it was too much for me so I went to an art school for my last two years of high school. My grades went from Cs and Ds to Bs as soon as I switched schools.

I dont really know what my mom was thinking. A school with an advanced education is not a good place for someone with learning dissabilities like me. She wasted a lot of money by having me go there. I NEVER had plans to go to university because I have too much trouble reading. Thats why Im happy to be an artist and a farmer.

Man I wrote a lot of useless bunk again. I do that a lot haha. But on the topic of religion. I remember when my boyfriend (I love him so much!) told me that humans and dinosours existed at the same time and I couldnt stop laughing (thank god I didnt hurt his feelings. Hes an open minded christian) He also tried to tell me one time that there were people that lived to be over 900 year old in the bible. I had to explain to him that it might just be a story and that the bible shouldnt always be taken literally.

And I can see why a lot of christians dont believe in evolution. Would you really want to believe that we came from retarded fish frogs that had butt sex with a squirrel, had a retard baby that looked like a monkey which had another retard baby that made you? Lol gotta love southparks explanation of evolution!

Remember Nathen. High school is very hard to get through. Some people have it easy and sneak by under the rader without any problems but most of the time high school is a pain in the ass. But once your finished which is only about three more years for you I think, then you will feel like a big weight has been lifted off your shoulders and you will feel more happy with your life. High school is a place for a bunch of teens with self esteem problems to butt heads and takes out their problems on eachother because they are stuck in the same place whether they like it or not. Luckily when your an adult you can choose not to put up with that shit or those people.

Man those were some crazy years back then but Im definately happy with what I have learned from my experiences. Im not sure if I made any sence to you guys. Sometimes I dont make sence when I say stuff.

Hi Beanie,
Good points!
Has any one told you lately that you look like Nina Hagen??

The incredible Nina Hagen??

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Yay for the LOL avatar back!

Also your religious education makes me feel very cross. That just shouldn't be allowed at all. I'd find it difficult to take my teachers seriously if they were coming out with that kind of dogma in unrelated subjects. However, I would hope that outside of the nonsense the education as far as maths, english, history (post 0 A.D. anyway), etc, goes reasonably well? Deth's rebuttal idea would be good indeed but I get the impression from what you've said that this plan would likely leave you burning in their version of the pits of hell and that your parents would get dragged into it all. I can see how this leaves you feeling somewhat trapped. The other option is just to block it out/ignore it as much as you can and coast through the rest of the education that way. Depends on your personality I guess and how much you can let it flow past without stress. Whichever course you choose... Good Luck!

I went to a private school too but fortunately the religious aspects here were generally confined to a quick blast of some jolly hymn tune at a 10 minute assembly followed by a "Be excellent to each other" type message, or "Wasn't Jesus a cuddly chap!" Hell didn't get mentioned, I'm glad to say. And no mention of religion was made outwith assembly or the couple of R.E. periods in a week.

I just wish, globally, 'faith schools' were not allowed. I'm sure we can encourage moral and ethical behaviour in young people without the various sky fairies being involved at all.

I see no problem in faith based school, as long as they teach you the subjects and keep the religion part to other areas. It just shouldn't be brought into things like science.

And Deth, Ben Stein is the man. I love how he questions everything everyone believes about creationism/evolution/intelligent design.

Yup,
I guess my overall point is ALWAYS question, AWAYS rebel, keep open, don't believe/accept dogma,i mean any dogma, religious, anti-religious what ever,and bullshit reguarding ANYTHING!!! ESPECIALY your own, which is, at least in my case, always the most convincing.Isn't that what heavy metal is really all about??The true renaissance being will forge an opinion, fired from his/her own will, nothing more.

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Nathan, thanks for sharing...

I'll keep my thoughts brief...because I don't have many. However, it seems odd to me that somebody is paying for you to have this kind of an education. If it was a public school maybe you would have more reason to rebel? It doesn't seem shocking to me at all that a catholic school would want to uphold these sort of views, no matter how mentalist they are.

Or, better still, I will home school you via email. I will reward your good performance in various mango products. Hmm?

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Nathan, thanks for sharing...

I'll keep my thoughts brief...because I don't have many. However, it seems odd to me that somebody is paying for you to have this kind of an education. If it was a public school maybe you would have more reason to rebel? It doesn't seem shocking to me at all that a catholic school would want to uphold these sort of views, no matter how mentalist they are.

Or, better still, I will home school you via email. I will reward your good performance in various mango products. Hmm?

Obviously it can't be as bad as Nathan makes out then, seeing as he's still there..
Just learn the stuff you want to learn, that's what schooling is for, right?

Its like adding more cheese to your macaroni, because it doesn't matter how much cheese you put on, it will still taste the same.

What's with all you guys' self esteem? Stop excusing yourself for making valid arguments, please.

Lots of clever things said here, but I totally agree with Deth's advise:

Yup,
I guess my overall point is ALWAYS question, AWAYS rebel, keep open, don't believe/accept dogma,i mean any dogma, religious, anti-religious what ever,and bullshit reguarding ANYTHING!!! ESPECIALY your own, which is, at least in my case, always the most convincing.Isn't that what heavy metal is really all about??The true renaissance being will forge an opinion, fired from his/her own will, nothing more.

Too many mindless sheep these days, please use your brain. You didn't get it just so you'd be able to text messages to tv shows you know.


Heck, get a load of this: Nathan, I'm worried about your future Well maybe worried isn't the word. But how is this shitty school going to affect the rest of your career? Any chance of getting rejected by other schools/universities, or employees because of it? If so, I think you should reconsider.
What about your parents? Do they know about the load of crap they teach you? Do they approve? Do they know how you feel about it?

I can't help but thinking you'd be better off in a different place.


And I'm not bothered with the avatar. At all.

I'll try and keep this short, and for now, I'll ignorethestrange religious teachings going on, and try and cut to the situation...

Really, really, consider ALL of your options. Don't just think over it a little, really delvge into it and see what you can pull up. If you think you can supress another 4 years of rage, then go for it. However, I really do not think that would benefit you much. I used to bottle up rage and tears blahblahblah all the time, and then I just sorta, exploded one day and that;s no fun. Having that much mental stress over a long period of time is distressing. As you are probably finding out, but having to express yourself here. (not saying there's anything wrong with that, I did the same when I was 14 or so too. But fortunatly I had a awesome forum to guide me a little )

But obviously, coming out of a school emotionally messed up most days wouldn't be good for your mental or physical health much.
If you think your parents really are wasting there money, have you said about it too them? They might help make a solution.

If you decide to go to another school - It's not the end of the world or anything. I know plenty of people who have redone some schooling, or changed courses, me included. And, you'll have a slight advantage from preivous knowledge as well. Just means you get to stay a teenager for longer in my opinion But yeah, seriously, it's not a big deal. If you want a real extreme version - My mum went back to college two years ago haha.

You can of course consider dropping out, and getting apprentances in your chosen career direction, but I'm not really sure what that is like over in America, so I can't really comment there.

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Wow, there's all sorts of stuff I could reply to, but I'm not sure I can, so I'll try to cover everything. First of all, I'm not saying I'm not open towards religion or anything like that, I think it's a fact that no one really has any idea about anything. Therefore, I'm open to all theories (except for The Flat Earth and stuff like that), I believe in everything and at the same time I believe in nothing. The reason I'm so frustrated is just because I'm getting cheated out of an education, which is only gonna hurt me later on.

And yeah, I could go to a different school. However, the school I'm going to now is the only decent one in a forty mile radius that I can attend, and me and the public school system here have some...issues. If I were to switch, I think things would be even worse than they are now. I don't wanna repeat high school, that just sucks. I just wanna get this shit over with so I can move on with my life, so I guess if that means four years of suppressed rage, then fine.

I'd say right now, I'm at at better mental state than I've been in a very long time. I can't explain it, everything is just perfect, other than the whole school issue. But the school being Christian has it's up sides, everyone is really nice and hey don't get mad that often. I just think they've gone too far with the teaching of faith bullshit, because it's almost not school at this point, its fucking extended Sunday school.

And yeah, I rebel plenty. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm pretty fucking unique. I came to this school two years ago (it was more awesome then) and I've heard all sorts of people tell me that I've changed it and I've made it better, and I did all of that just by being myself. For example, I have a really close friend who before I came, felt like absolute shit. He has a condition that for lack of a better term, makes him really fucking massive, and he was constantly picked on by the douches and jocks of the school. Then I came, and somehow, I'm not sure what I did, but over time they all politely shut the hell up, and my friend's now the fucking king. I guess I showed everyone it's alright to be yourself, and to not really care what others think.

And no, the school isn't nearly as bad as that post made it out to be, I'm just really frustrated wit the shit they've been pulling recently. So yeah, that's pretty much it, I think. Oh, and that mango idea is a very, very good one. Hehe, I really like this girl who's allergic to mangoes, one one day I had some at lunch and she rubbed them on her face and it got all swollen. I think I love her...anyhoo, I'm rambling now, so I'm gonna quit typing and hit the post button. Thanks for the advice and support, guys (and gals).

Just use really really heavy hallucagens. That way, everything will make sense!

Everything. o-o

i thought it'd be a myspace-teenage-angst post, but surprisingly, it wasn't! Thumbs up, nathan

Anyways, i think you're totally right to think that's bullshit. I mean, hell, if i had a kid and i paid a lot for his education, and they started talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, i'd be fucking pissed off, like, a whole LOT. It's incredible how the state lets a school teach that kind of thing. As it's been said, you can have all the religion you want, just don't stick it on people's school formation.

I mean, it's fucking highschool physics for christ's sake! You can even claim that some parts of it are wrong in a deeper level, it isn't perfect, but what the hell, it's a system that has been proved in practice for the past thousands of years. Who the hell cares if dragons were dinossaurs? I'm kinda with biert here, if ALL they teach is that, and leave aside the real deal of the subjects, you WILL be left behind in your education (unless you study hard on your own).

I think it's quite fucked up that a country like the US is open to that kind of thing. Brazil pretty much stinks on most parts, but at least they don't shove catholicism down everyone's throat, and people don't get all that mental stress that you guys get by bullying. They actually wait till you get to college, and the teachers are the bullies themselves

I don't know if your folks are die-hard Christians who believe whatever Constantine decided to keep on the big-book-about-Apolo-crossdressed-as-Jesus to the very word, but all in all, i really think you should discuss that with THEM, after all, it's a big investiment they're making (monetarily), but it's also a HUGE investiment that you're doing: four years of your life.

Think about it and good luck, bro!

Hi Beanie,
Good points!
Has any one told you lately that you look like Nina Hagen??

The incredible Nina Hagen??

Thank you thats a very big compliment! Yea when I look back and think of those people that made fun of me in school I realize that most of them did it because they had big problems with self esteem. Most of them ended up gaining confidents when they got older and became nice decent adults who dont feel the need to make fun of others because they are comfortable with themselves. But there are always some things that never change.