I've heard the entire Ziltoid album, he did'nt smoke a thing for that and that is a really fucked up (ideas are amazing and out there) but very cool album and it just goes to show that he's naturally a talented dude with or without the weed....

Well put and nice to read. Thanks, Ryan.

Maybe a little off-topic question: As a drummer, how do you think did Dev execute the sampled drums? Would it be an interesting challenge for you to play the Ziltoid stuff live one day?



C'mon guys... I can dream!

I think Dev did a great job on programming the drums for the Ziltoid Record. He wanted over the top stuff at times and really creative, cool beats and fills for most of the record. If Dev could play drums, that's what he would have played. So I think he did an awesome job.

As for wanting to play some Ziltoid stuff live one day.... Fuck Yeah!!!! It would be a blast to play live and definitely an interesting challenge. I don't know if that will ever happen though.... but if it did, I'd love to drum it live!

Best,

RVP

I agree that Devin did a wicked job on the programming.

And I will say it again; weed and acid makes music more powerful, more interesting. They allow you to experience the emotion in the recording on a higher level. This does not mean that you "need" drugs to enjoy music. People who say, "If you need drugs to enjoy music, it must be crappy music" are missing the point. It simply enhances the experience. Nothing wrong with that, except that it is illegal in most places, and can cause harm to your body and mind over time...

To begin with, Devin townsend (Not so much SYL) is the #1 most amazing music ive ever encountered and i cannot get enough.

I often listen to DT very drunk, rocking out with my mates and screaming along as loud as we can, but it is never loud enough. Canada, earth day, christeen, universal the list goes on of good grunty songs of his..

but..

Listening to DT stoned was kinda a disappointment to me, cos i just mellowed out and kinda fell asleep. It made me more entertained by the same music than i would be if i were without substances but id not do it again, cos i zoned out so much i stopped listening to it. It was playing but i didnt really notice, just kinda played the album through and suddenly i was like 'wtf where'd time go?".

I appreciate that some people find great pleasure in listening to music stoned, but for me it just makes me not listen to the music and disappear into my own world.. a waste of time imo, but thats just me.

I agree that Devin did a wicked job on the programming.

And I will say it again; weed and acid makes music more powerful, more interesting. They allow you to experience the emotion in the recording on a higher level. This does not mean that you "need" drugs to enjoy music. People who say, "If you need drugs to enjoy music, it must be crappy music" are missing the point. It simply enhances the experience.

I don't buy this. you could probably say LSD "enhances" any experience, not just music. but I don't feel the need for drugs im combination with music. I care for melodies, songwriting, arrangements, subtleties and so on...and I get a lot of goosebumps every now and then when listening to Dev's albums or other artists. No point in trying to enhance this totally "pure" experience.
on the other hand I detest any kind of drug, so this might explain my point of view.

Devins music makes you high!

If drugs make you enjoy music more you should propably keep it to yourself and not encourage other people to do so too you know.

I used to smoke weed n it made Dev records sound like an ocean washing over you when listend to really loud, i dunno how to explain it really, never done anything harder so i cant say, but i heard acid makes any music sound much more intense.

Drugs aren't for everyone, some drugs are suited to particular personalities, other's clash, even pharmaceutical's, common knowledge people, each to their own. 'Infinity' on LSD, FUCK YEAH. Felt like the track layering was physical in my room, like the music could REALLY be felt and explored.

Other drugs, however, are more closely associated with dementia. Mainly Acid. Apparently, it leaves some sort of residual effect that kicks in randomly afterwards, even if a person tries it only once. I've read that people who have acid even once are considered "clinically insane" (makes me wonder about some friends).

That is complete garbage.
First, the term "clinically insane" isn't even a real term, and secondly LSD is one of the most benign drugs in existence. Alcohol is roughly 100s of times more dangerous (based off of effective dose to LD50 (the dose 50% of subjects die at)). It takes thousands of times the effective dose of LSD to become lethal.
Spreading rumors like this is extremely dangerous, so unless you have looked up something that you've just heard, please don't repeat it.

Flashbacks are on the same level as PTSD. Any traumatic experience will be hardwired into the brain, and, although the exact mechanism isn't yet known, can be brought back in a memory so vivid that it were as though the subject were going through the experience again. Note that flashbacks are extremely rare in users of psychedelics.
A more common side effect is Hallucinatory Persistent Perception Disorder. This leaves some frequent users of psychedelics with a few minor effects that are left over from the trip. Things like seeing halos around lights, or brief afterimages from fast moving objects. Users report that these effects dissipate with limited to no use.

Anyway. Devy under the influence of mushrooms, acid, or any other psychedelic is phenomenal. He's amazing anyway, but under the influence of psychedelics (and I don't mean pot, although that is pretty good as well), his music hits a new level. The multiple layers spread out and, combined with synethstesia, create a whole dynamic world you'd never think possible. He is my favorite musician to listen to while tripping.

[Blazingmonga]

Other drugs, however, are more closely associated with dementia. Mainly Acid. Apparently, it leaves some sort of residual effect that kicks in randomly afterwards, even if a person tries it only once. I've read that people who have acid even once are considered "clinically insane" (makes me wonder about some friends).

That is complete garbage.
First, the term "clinically insane" isn't even a real term, and secondly LSD is one of the most benign drugs in existence. Alcohol is roughly 100s of times more dangerous (based off of effective dose to LD50 (the dose 50% of subjects die at)). It takes thousands of times the effective dose of LSD to become lethal.
Spreading rumors like this is extremely dangerous, so unless you have looked up something that you've just heard, please don't repeat it.

Flashbacks are on the same level as PTSD. Any traumatic experience will be hardwired into the brain, and, although the exact mechanism isn't yet known, can be brought back in a memory so vivid that it were as though the subject were going through the experience again. Note that flashbacks are extremely rare in users of psychedelics.
A more common side effect is Hallucinatory Persistent Perception Disorder. This leaves some frequent users of psychedelics with a few minor effects that are left over from the trip. Things like seeing halos around lights, or brief afterimages from fast moving objects. Users report that these effects dissipate with limited to no use.

Anyway. Devy under the influence of mushrooms, acid, or any other psychedelic is phenomenal. He's amazing anyway, but under the influence of psychedelics (and I don't mean pot, although that is pretty good as well), his music hits a new level. The multiple layers spread out and, combined with synethstesia, create a whole dynamic world you'd never think possible. He is my favorite musician to listen to while tripping.

Hi Veter, interesting post!

On the subject of LSD, I had always thought that there was never an issue with the toxicity of it. I had always thought that any risk is to your mental health, and that same as with pot, these effects are more poorly understood.

I hadn't heard of HPPD...will have to read into this more!

Personally I am a big fan of listening to Devin under the influence of coffee or mangoes.

I'm not into drugs but I like to listen Synchestra and Ocean Machine when I'm drunk. Synchestra allways cheers me up.
And yeah my only is Devins music.

I don't need weed when I'm listening Dev's music.

I need weed when I can't listen...

Devy under the influence of mushrooms, acid, or any other psychedelic is phenomenal.

+1

I've been able to induce some pretty interesting metal states through good ole' fashioned meditation. Primarily when listening to music.
I have no interest in trying to augment that sensation with chemicals. To do so would risk taking away from the experience I had while sober.
Sorta like this chick I know who just doesn't like sex anymore, unless she's high on ecstasy.
Nah. I can go plenty of crazy places perfectly sober. If I really wanna fuck myself up in a mind-expanding kinda way, I'll just stay awake for two days or hang upside down off of something for a bit or see how long I can go without opening my eyes. Or, conversely, blinking.

That's not to say I'm a tea-totaller. I DO enjoy getting drunk as fuck on occasion. But that's more for doing things like setting off fireworks irresponsibly close to crowds of people or starting 4 man mosh pits at parties when Pantera comes on the sterio. Not for mental expansion.
As far as other intoxicants go; I have a bottle of absinthe in my liquor cabinet. But really, it just gets me drunk. Fast.

I don't do drugs, and I don't drink either.

I decided that from quite a young age actually. They hold no interest for me. And I never wanted something like that to hold leaverage over me.
I've always be a creative person, and I've always listened intently. I'm weird, and unstable enough with out drugs. I don't like the idea of intensifying it much. The idea of having no control of my actions is a terrifying one

I can seperate the tracks, and listen to them all on different levels anyway - So I don't see how doing drugs would help with that. But then I've never taken them so I guess I wouldn't.

But I think what I'm trying to say is, I think I feel his music as much as anyone else does, even without the effect of drugs.
Although drugs like Acid and such, its purpose is to intensify sounds and sights and colours.

Is it really your interpretation of the song at that point though, or the drugs?