Sometimes I think music died a long time ago

Good post-rock bands to look into:
Sigur Ros
Explosions in the Sky
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
God is an Astronaut
Talk Talk (Laughing Stock and Spirit of Eden albums)

Gooood stuff

More on topic though: I think emo lyrics can be just as good or just as bad as those found in any genre of music.

You forgot Slint

Well, either people who rock out with a mailman-costume, or the Arctic Monkeys, Kaiser Chiefs, Infadels, Kooks, Fratelli's, etc, etc, etc, etc fans.
I did not make up the term, I saw these bands labelled as 'post-rock'.

Damn this post-modern age.

Yeah, fuck post-offices! They've lost my Mats & Morgan CDs!

Hope you at least like fusion, you fat, moustachey, recordstaling, postman twunt.

post rock are people who say (and thhis is an actual quote) "wow man thats so lo fi you can barely make out the instruments!" they are basically the indie version of hard core black metallers except not grim kvlt or necro

post rock are people who say (and thhis is an actual quote) "wow man thats so lo fi you can barely make out the instruments!" they are basically the indie version of hard core black metallers except not grim kvlt or necro

and don't forget people without talent... I've seen better musicianship skills in Metallica than in any of these 'post-rock' 'new wave britpop', whatever you want to call it, bands.

post rock are people who say (and thhis is an actual quote) "wow man thats so lo fi you can barely make out the instruments!" they are basically the indie version of hard core black metallers except not grim kvlt or necro

and don't forget people without talent... I've seen better musicianship skills in Metallica than in any of these 'post-rock' 'new wave britpop', whatever you want to call it, bands.

Unless you're referring specifically to 'new' Metallica, I'd say that's a bit redundant. Like them or not, Metallica were certainly excellent musicians.

You really think so?
I think Lars Ulrich and Kirk Hammett are really dreadful. James Hetfield has a great voice in my opinion and he writes cool tunes, but that's about it.

You really think so?
I think Lars Ulrich and Kirk Hammett are really dreadful. James Hetfield has a great voice in my opinion and he writes cool tunes, but that's about it.

There must be a reason that they're seen as the founders of thrash metal, they have millions of fans and play huge stadium tours. They must have done something right at some point.

OK that point was 20 years ago and they've kind of derailed since, but still.

You really think so?
I think Lars Ulrich and Kirk Hammett are really dreadful. James Hetfield has a great voice in my opinion and he writes cool tunes, but that's about it.

There must be a reason that they're seen as the founders of thrash metal, they have millions of fans and play huge stadium tours. They must have done something right at some point.

OK that point was 20 years ago and they've kind of derailed since, but still.

Well, yeah, but that's not what I was talking about. Oasis are seen as the founders of Britpop and they're also mediocre musicians. I was just talking about the musicianship of Metallica. And YES, I do know that musicianship has nothing to do with the quality of the music. Except with Meshuggah, who rule (just to piss off Biert, ).
The point I was trying to make, is that I'm really fed up with mediocre musicians being succesful and praised as excellent musicians, like Razorlight, Snowpatrol, Arctic Monkeys and Kaiser Chiefs. I've spent the bulk of my life studying guitar, and some stoner who plays 4 chords goes straight to the top. Besides that, there are amazing musicians like Devin, Dream Theater, Steve Vai, etc, etc, who aren't noticed, and if they are, people say: "Well, this is just too technical for me". Every time I hear that, it converts into my ear like: "I've got no time to listen to interesting music, and would rather hear easy, chewable songs to dance too".
Well, in the end it's all a matter of taste and I can't do anything about it; it's just using up the last patience I have.

"I've got no time to listen to interesting music, and would rather hear easy, chewable songs to dance too".

What would be wrong with that? It's all just a matter of opinion and taste (and intelligence maybe ), some people like the complicated stuff, others like the simple stuff. No big deal if you ask me. Writing catchy music that people can dance to and that millions of people like to listen to is just as hard as playing guitar to technical perfection.

To me, skill, technicality, etc. always take a back seat to the actual songwriting, soul, and intent of the music. I like what I like and to be honest, how well someone can shred doesn't factor into it at all. That doesn't mean that I don't listen to purposefully technical music (I listen to quite a bit of it actually), just that when technical ability is used as the main draw of the music-- 'Check this guy out, he can play so fast! What a fucking shredder!' --I couldn't care less. Of course, I still definitely respect someone's talent as a skilled technical player. I dig it too, but it's not the main thing that draws me to music.

"I've got no time to listen to interesting music, and would rather hear easy, chewable songs to dance too".

What would be wrong with that? It's all just a matter of opinion and taste (and intelligence maybe ), some people like the complicated stuff, others like the simple stuff. No big deal if you ask me. Writing catchy music that people can dance to and that millions of people like to listen to is just as hard as playing guitar to technical perfection.

I'm very curious to how many 'hit-songs' are actually written by the band themselves or by some prodcuer. I've worked with Tobias Regner for a while, the 2006 German Idols ("Deutschland sucht ein superstar") winner, and every song he sent me and I thought had a nice groove or catchy melody was written by a Scandinavian or British producer.
It's like Devin says in the guitar instructional video, you should be technically as good as you have to be for your own music. After 4 years of music-college, I've met so many people saying that they don't like bands like Dream Theater, but after a while you recognise the look in their eyes, which tells you the main reason is that they can't play it, so they just play something simple. And again, there is nothing wrong with people listening to simple music, but I'm quite curious to how many of these people REALLY like the music, or just listen to these bands, thanks to the huge marketing campaigns. The difference between pop-diva's and 'rock' bands these days is getting smaller and smaller.
The Bill Hicks fans will recognise this, but it's so important to play with your soul and balls, and I have the feeling this is happening less and less.

Sometimes I think music died a long time ago

The Death Of Music... in 1997?

As for the off-topic, I'm with Archetype about musicianship of Metallica. They made some great and important music a long time ago, but Hetfield would be the only one of them with any musical competence. Compare ... And Justice For All and Megadeth's Rust In Peace, for example - great records both, but musically, Mustaine & co. run circles around the former. But, like Devin put it, whatever the music requires. I've given up worrying about the musicianship of hit bands and songs... It's a different musical world where I like to live.
"Have patience"

Is Paatos considered to be a post rock band? They're pretty good.

I think the whole "emo" term gets thrown around way to much. Half of the bands or songs that get that label have nothing to do with that genre in the first place. People use it as some kind of label for something they don't like anymore.

post rock are people who say (and thhis is an actual quote) "wow man thats so lo fi you can barely make out the instruments!" they are basically the indie version of hard core black metallers except not grim kvlt or necro

Wait...what? Ive never heard anyone say anything like that. All the post rock Ive listened to has had at least pretty decent production, with most of them being excellently produced and very clear sounding. Also, whats with all the post rock comparison to britpop and dance rock? I dont get that at all.