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#124344 by djskrimp
Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:33 pm
fullgore wrote:So what you're trying to say is that you're awesome, right? Also I do agree. Technique is more a commodity than anything else.

*fights urge to bring up Yngwie Malmsteen* :lol:


Actually, Yngwie is a great example of both: When the guy stops trying to show off and actually writes songs from someplace above his moneybook, they are masterpieces. "Krakatoa" comes to mind. It's when he is too busy trying to prove that he is a bad ass that his music suffers. He never did learn the lesson Jimi was trying to teach: If you are going to play music, have something to say, or people won't listen to you for long.

#124345 by djskrimp
Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:35 pm
I am not awesome. I hope to someday kinda sorta even come close to the majesty and emotion of my favorite guitarists:

Ty Tabor, Devin Townsend and Eric Gales

#124347 by fullgore
Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:50 pm
djskrimp wrote:
fullgore wrote:So what you're trying to say is that you're awesome, right? Also I do agree. Technique is more a commodity than anything else.

*fights urge to bring up Yngwie Malmsteen* :lol:


Actually, Yngwie is a great example of both: When the guy stops trying to show off and actually writes songs from someplace above his moneybook, they are masterpieces. "Krakatoa" comes to mind. It's when he is too busy trying to prove that he is a bad ass that his music suffers. He never did learn the lesson Jimi was trying to teach: If you are going to play music, have something to say, or people won't listen to you for long.

I haven't heard Krakatoa (or at least I think I haven't) so I can't really comment on that, but it does come as a shock to me that he's capable of writing something with character. And haha, I was just joking about you saying you were awesome :P

#124348 by djskrimp
Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:54 pm
fullgore wrote:
djskrimp wrote:
fullgore wrote:music, have something to say, or people won't listen to you for long.

I haven't heard Krakatoa (or at least I think I haven't) so I can't really comment on that, but it does come as a shock to me that he's capable of writing something with character. And haha, I was just joking about you saying you were awesome :P


Oh, I know you were kidding, but I wanted to highlight players I think are awesome.

That kid that played really fast with the crappy vibrato...there IS hope for him. Yngwie? Not so much.

#124349 by kyl88
Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:39 pm
ERIC GALES???!!!! You sir, have excellent taste. 8) Picture of a thousand faces is one of my favorite albums... Eric Johnson is a pretty tasty guitar player, too. More of a pentatonic player than a shredder.

#124353 by Noodles
Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:43 pm
djskrimp wrote:What follows is my opinion only: Technique for it's own sake is not art. What techinique does is allow you to express your art with more "colors", but it should never be the end result of learning guitar. I know a lot of "haters" who would say, "That's just 'cause you can't play that fast." True, but when people hear me play, they know EXACTLY what emotion or thought I am trying to convey. And it isn't "Look at me".
kinda, but there are parts where i know John Petrucci is trying to be sad or heavy but is failing miserably.

#124366 by djskrimp
Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:49 am
Noodles wrote:
djskrimp wrote:What follows is my opinion only: Technique for it's own sake is not art. What techinique does is allow you to express your art with more "colors", but it should never be the end result of learning guitar. I know a lot of "haters" who would say, "That's just 'cause you can't play that fast." True, but when people hear me play, they know EXACTLY what emotion or thought I am trying to convey. And it isn't "Look at me".
kinda, but there are parts where i know John Petrucci is trying to be sad or heavy but is failing miserably.


Doesn't help when James LaBrie overemotes all over your song structure.

#124374 by Biert
Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:14 am
Sometimes I wish there was a Flash player for my computer. Damn you, Macromedia/Adobe!

#124380 by Noodles
Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:40 am
djskrimp wrote:
Noodles wrote:
djskrimp wrote:What follows is my opinion only: Technique for it's own sake is not art. What techinique does is allow you to express your art with more "colors", but it should never be the end result of learning guitar. I know a lot of "haters" who would say, "That's just 'cause you can't play that fast." True, but when people hear me play, they know EXACTLY what emotion or thought I am trying to convey. And it isn't "Look at me".
kinda, but there are parts where i know John Petrucci is trying to be sad or heavy but is failing miserably.


Doesn't help when James LaBrie overemotes all over your song structure.
and Jordan Rudess's keys aren't very helpful either lol

#124415 by djskrimp
Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:06 pm
Noodles wrote:
djskrimp wrote:
Noodles wrote:
djskrimp wrote:What follows is my opinion only: Technique for it's own sake is not art. What techinique does is allow you to express your art with more "colors", but it should never be the end result of learning guitar. I know a lot of "haters" who would say, "That's just 'cause you can't play that fast." True, but when people hear me play, they know EXACTLY what emotion or thought I am trying to convey. And it isn't "Look at me".
kinda, but there are parts where i know John Petrucci is trying to be sad or heavy but is failing miserably.


Doesn't help when James LaBrie overemotes all over your song structure.
and Jordan Rudess's keys aren't very helpful either lol


True! Why they didn't retain Kevin Moore is beyond me..

#124417 by Torniojaws
Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:15 pm
Kevin Moore left the band.


There's now Part 4 of the Phycho Execises ;)

#124419 by djskrimp
Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:21 pm
Torniojaws wrote:Kevin Moore left the band.


There's now Part 4 of the Phycho Execises ;)


That's what I mean...why didn't they try harder to keep him? (Hence me saying "retain".)

#124435 by FinnAtLondon
Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:21 pm
Steve Morse bitches.

#124477 by Goat
Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:38 am
Hey hey hey, don't diss Petrucci/Rudess combo, what's the matter with you? Those two are beyond criticism. What they do they do best. Petrucci is a mechanical animal but he knows what melody is when it matters. Rudess is in a league of his own.

And connecting Vai with shredding is sacrilege. Shredding means playing fast ALL THE BLOODY TIME, while being able to play ridiculously fast doesn't mean being a shredder. Vai can play fucking fast, but that speed always expresses something beyond the notes. Listen to Call It Sleep or Blue Powder for example.

You may know/be aware of what I said or maybe not, but everytime I see such superficial takes on Vai, Rudess or Petrucci I feel the need to put things in place: these guys are way beyond shredding and have great knowledge of musical expression, which they implement superbly in their compositions.

:evil:

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