i met gene hoglan a few years back when they opened for fear factory while waiting on line to go inside. he was just smoking a cigarette and talking to some dude that worked for fuse or something, so i just went over shook his hand and said he was one of my favorite drummers and i was only there to see SYL. i asked him where dev was and he said he was around somewhere. i asked if i could have his autograph but didn't have a pen or piece of paper so i walked over to my friend and didn't go back. i felt kinda embarassed about that part, but i didn't wanna bother him too much and i hope i didn't offend him since i was more interested in meeting dev than him.

if i saw dev just standing around, i'd probably try and engage in some moderate conversation but if he was walking around in a hurry or something i'd probably just quickly say thanks for all the incredible music i've been a fan for a long time and I have a lot of respect for you, and don't be afraid to keep doing what you're doing.

Dev, the answer is 42.

Dev, the answer is 42.

No, no, it's 420.



Fail joke is fail. Sorry, guys. ):

ha...no no, Mike's great.

I don't kiss and tell

Haha no problem. While I was reading that I was just picturing you and Mike having some good conversations. He is a really cool guy.


I do get you mean on all points, especially about fans. But I am one of those guys who loves to meet my favorite musicians after the show. Not the fanboy-ish "Holy Shit! It's you! You're my biggest idol!!!" kind of way, more of a "Hey, awesome show tonight. I had a great time. Thanks for putting out such great music!" kind of way. A few times I have been able to have real conversation with some of them. Especially the Bassist of the band, dredg, Drew Roulette. The first time I ever met him, we talked for almost an hour after the show about Metal, and Pink Floyd songs that synch up with different movies.

I'm a musician myself (drummer) and having people come up to me and saying they enjoyed the show. it's such a great feeling. But I too get those people who creep me out and won't leave you alone before you even get one foot off the stage. It's flattering by all means, but the ones who won't even let you take a piss or get a bottle of water do get to you after a while. I guess I do take a bit after you, where I try to be as polite and accommodating as possible when I'm not in the best of moods. After all, they did pay to see me play.

Hey Dev for your reference the main branch of the Boston Public Library is a few feet away from the Copley Place subway stop. They're doing this nice series of free exhibits of stuff buried in their archives. I gather the Museum of Fine Arts is opening a new wing this year and they have a young sea turtle at the New England Aquarium.

I remember meeting Dev for the first time. Part of my 17 year old Metalhead mind had this grand vision of a mighty warrior upon his throne surrounded by wenches reigning death upon the false with every word (note that this was on a tour for City). Instead I stood there face to face with a really tired, slightly smelly dude with greasy hair and a kitten tattoo who was perfectly polite but really wanted to go call his girlfriend. Totally changed my "OMG must meet the band and worship the band" perspective to "Shit. These are real people who, if they decide to make themselves available, should be thanked for doing so then probably offered a sandwich."

Wow this has turned into a really cool thread (as most of them do on here)
been lurking for a bit on this one, heres some more 2 cents to add to the overall pot of collective thought boggliarity.

There seems to be the notion (liken with everything) that extremes at either end of the OBSESSED FAN <---> EGOTISTICAL ROCKSTAR scenario, that either side is unimpressed with the other, it seems that a lot of us conjure up that type of scale in our minds and create this fantasy, When something is bigger than oneself. When in actuality we are all just people, labeling some one as a 'fan' is the same as labeling a musician as a 'God' in a sense, From most cases (i think most can vouch for this) us dev 'fans' worship his work. Its dangerous to think that we can set our minds and lock it in this mentality, when these extremes can completely misrepresent what an artist is trying to express, and what a listener is experiencing themselves. if a fan got to meet their musical 'God', that puts a lot of pressure because of both extremes and the experience would be tainted in someway, how can one person live up to those kind of standards?! no one can! coz really, people suck (at most times), we are not perfect beings! all we can do is try to share the love that has been given to us in what ever measure. this somewhat ties in to my own beliefs of God... after reading Devs religious view points, as some one who has been studying theology myself, i couldn't agree more, Religion is a shitter of a thing that exists. It gets in the way of the Living God to be experienced. I believe that God and us are meant to have a relationship together (well, made to have one). which is something more real than a set of religious hish-hops bullshit that gets in the way. to quote Bono "Religion is whats left when God leaves the room".....Yes the world is full of different beliefs by a whole lot of people, from my experience, the most religious can be really frustrating.

personally though, I hate that post modernistic viewpoint of "you have your beliefs, i have mine, as long as we don't step on each others toes, then we are all good". I do personally believe that God is for everyone. but that doesn't mean that i'm going to judge someone for not agreeing. i will finish saying this, that if you look at a believer of Christ, the notion from an atheistic or agnostic view is that "Well, the only proof you have of God and this truth is purely only based on your own experience" When you talk to an Atheist and ask them the same question (which i have quite a number of times) The reason why they don't believe in God is also purely based on their own experience.

so what i'm trying to say is, we are all trying to find our sea of boobies

My views on God: Shortened Version

I believe in God, raised Lutheran. Not as active in Church as I used to be. I still believe in God entirely. But also not much a fan of the fan clubs, especially the ones who have their distinct voice. West baptist Church for example.

Basically to me. If you believe in God and you're a good person, you will go to Heaven. If you don't agree, no bubbles, no troubles.

I'm a musician myself (drummer)

Can't have it both ways. So which are you?

I'm a musician myself (drummer)

Can't have it both ways. So which are you?

Drummer


My favorite music quote:

When they can't play an instrument, give them two sticks to be a drummer. If they can't be a drummer, take away one stick and make them a conductor.

what can I say?
great read!

my take on god.

its a metaphor for mankinds desire to know and explain the meaning of life, and death.

god, the devil, these are just ideas that attempt to externalize our subconcious feelings of good and evil. moral and immoral.
heaven and hell, are constructs that externalize our judgement of moral issues and social justice.
our society has contructed similar institutions. judge, jury [god] jail [hell] freedom [heaven].
religion has taken it a big step further by making claims that with death comes eternal judgement, so you better join our team if you want to be free. as this cant be proven wrong, [or right]. many people subconciously use pascals wager to believe or justify their belief. [better safe than sorry].


the religions today are just like the older religions, and beliefs. myths used to explain what we dont know yet. metaphors.
i believe as mankind evolves, religion will no longer be needed, however, as long as their is poverty, ignorance and lack of education and human rights, religion will always have its place in society, as it gives many people hope, esspecially the downtrodden.
its no co incidence that the most religious nations [bar the anomaly of U.S.A] are generally the poorest and/or least educated.

know one knows what happens when we die, if there is an afterlife. no one.
some believe to provide meaning to their lives, other dont need to believe to provide meaning.
me personally. would like to believe that our energy recycles, or trancends this reality. but the older i get, the less im inclined to believe this.

okay, back on topic, [or was this the topic lol].

got my tickets to dev at brisbane australia and i cant fucking wait!!

[please play funeral, please play funeral]

[swervedriver]

i believe as mankind evolves, religion will no longer be needed, however, as long as their is poverty, ignorance and lack of education and human rights, religion will always have its place in society, as it gives many people hope, esspecially the downtrodden.
its no co incidence that the most religious nations [bar the anomaly of U.S.A] are generally the poorest and/or least educated.

So you're saying religious people are poor, stupid, uneducated and oppressed? Wow.

i believe as mankind evolves, religion will no longer be needed, however, as long as their is poverty, ignorance and lack of education and human rights, religion will always have its place in society, as it gives many people hope, esspecially the downtrodden.
its no co incidence that the most religious nations [bar the anomaly of U.S.A] are generally the poorest and/or least educated.

So you're saying religious people are poor, stupid, uneducated and oppressed? Wow.

No, he's saying that the most religious nations [bar the anomaly of U.S.A] are generally the poorest and/or least educated, which I think is just about right. Check this:

http://pocketcultures.com/topicsofthewo ... ountry.png

[Octillus]

i believe as mankind evolves, religion will no longer be needed, however, as long as their is poverty, ignorance and lack of education and human rights, religion will always have its place in society, as it gives many people hope, esspecially the downtrodden.
its no co incidence that the most religious nations [bar the anomaly of U.S.A] are generally the poorest and/or least educated.

So you're saying religious people are poor, stupid, uneducated and oppressed? Wow.

No, he's saying that the most religious nations [bar the anomaly of U.S.A] are generally the poorest and/or least educated, which I think is just about right. Check this:

http://pocketcultures.com/topicsofthewo ... ountry.png

I'd argue that the anomaly is a pretty large and freakish one, though I know how much the rest of the world likes to downplay the US

So you're saying religious people are poor, stupid, uneducated and oppressed? Wow.

no im not saying that.
look at the facts.
barring the U.S. the most developed, most educated nations in the world are generally the least religious.

im saying that those that are poor, oppressed and uneducated are more inclined to be religious as it gives them hope.

most people that are religious, are by default. they were born into a family that practiced said religion and thus, were raised to believe in it.
most people i know of that are religious, have never really questioned why they believe.
obviously there are exceptions to every rule.
thats fine though. . as long as these beliefs are not enforced onto me and my family, each to their own