The scene in Bad Santa where the alarm goes off, and he can't turn off the christmas carols...then throws bottle after bottle at it

...'FUCK you!!! FUCK you!!!FUCK you...'

Love it...been there.

I couldn't watch that movie in full enjoyment because that chick from Gilmore Girls was in it. What a horrible reason to not enjoy it to its fullest! It's awesome that he bangs her though.

But that quote reminds me of The Tourettes Guy:
He spills beer on himself, and the interviewer asks, "Can I get you a towel?"
He yells, "FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU IN THE ASS!"

It's total bullshit, all an act, he's just drunk most of the time, but it's funny as shit.
He's the best ever, and if you don't agree, I don't give a SHIT SHIT SHIT!!!

This is an interesting thread. I find it awkward to talk to people I respect and or idolize. I had a chance to talk to Devin at the Atlanta show when he walked by me but I did nothing. I just didn't know what to say and I'm a weird guy. I was in the same position a few years ago when I was at a show and I saw the lead singer of a legendary death metal band standing in front of me like he wanted to talk. In the end I said nothing because all could think of to say at the time was "Man, death metal rules!" which was just to dorky to say.

I have an easier time talking with people I don't really know or people who are struggling to make something out of their art. I want to show them more support and offer them my encouragement. Once someone reaches a "celebrity" at least in my mind I find that I become more of a pest than a supporting fan. Again this is just my personal view.

Besides I still have this forum and that serves it's purpose nicely. If I did talk to Devin then I would of said "Thanks for going on tour again. I really appreciated it. I enjoyed the show immensely even with the click track." Probably followed up with a please come back again.

I don't know. Leaving people alone is kind of my way of showing respect. I always heard that fame was a bitch but I wouldn't know personally.

For a movie recommendation I just saw the The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus in the theaters and I was blown away. One of the best movies I've seen in years and I recommend it to everyone. It really got into personal fantasies and vices in an interesting way. I think I'd have a hard time talking to Terry Gilliam too.

sylkicks:

Of course I don't hate people because of their religion...I agree with the solace part, all your points are well received. I believe in a moral code, which many religions have going for them (don't murder, don't fuck your buddies spouse etc...) but it's the militant aspect of it all that keeps me away from adhering to any religion in particular...please understand I'm not 'anti-god' or even 'anti-christian' (or catholic, or anything...) it's just by the nature of my music I seem to (semi) constantly have representatives from lots of faiths (christian, jehovah's witness, satanic, athiest, buddhist etc...) that make all the rest of the good folks from any of those walks look ridiculous and frustrating by association. Please understand *that* as the root of my frustration. I love god, it's the fan club that bugs me.

Last thing I'm gonna say about this, promise
Oh yeah Dev, no, I totally get it. Being within the religion itself the extremists who want to save you or whatever is ridiculous, and makes the moderates like myself (and the moderates do indeed make up majority of religions I find, but the extremists stick out more) angry because they put such a bad name to it. That is the root of my frustration as well with my own religion, so I feel we're coming from much the same place. I'm not saying at all that your anti-anything, not at all, I hope that came out in my post. I'm completely with you. The problem with religion is, sadly, when that fan club gets involved and mucks everything up. When you feel the need to militantly defend your religion theres sense of insecurity there I think, and its those folks that are such a drag on something that should be beautiful. To quote Ghandi: "I love your Christ, but not your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."

Anyway, on to more important things....
DO NOT, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL HUMANITY, SEE AVATAR. PLEASE!!!! That is one of the most god awful unoriginal pieces of crap I've ever seen. If you want to see it go watch Pocahontas and you'll get far better music. Or if you really need to see it go watch it in 3-d and stick earplugs in your ears, because the "plot" really doesn't matter. Or just stick Ki or Addicted in your ears and wha-la, instantly better. Here, this should make you giggle: http://failblog.org/2010/01/10/avatar-plot-fail/
But.... Star Trek was unbelievable.

[/quote]For a movie recommendation I just saw the The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus in the theaters and I was blown away. One of the best movies I've seen in years and I recommend it to everyone. It really got into personal fantasies and vices in an interesting way. I think I'd have a hard time talking to Terry Gilliam too.[/quote]

Oh my lord, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus was mind blowing. Absolutely loved it. Best movie of 09 in my opinion. Terry Gilliam is a genius. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas or Brazil, anyone?

This is an interesting thread. I find it awkward to talk to people I respect and or idolize. I had a chance to talk to Devin at the Atlanta show when he walked by me but I did nothing. I just didn't know what to say and I'm a weird guy.

I did the same thing when I saw Symphony X a couple years ago. I was standing at the end of the bar drinking a beer and watching one of the other bands play. It wasn't crowded where I was standing, the bar and the concert area are on two separate levels. Russel Allen came over and stood right by me, literally within 3 feet. He was watching the band on stage just like I was. We're both standing there with our backs leaning up against the bar. I did nothing. I just internally froze and became overly anxious. I thought about saying, "Hey man, you're gonna kick our asses tonight right?" or, "Can I buy you a beer? Nah, don't want to fuck up your voice, how bout some water?" - but I just felt awkward and nervous. Nobody approached him either, except one guy who just put up the devil horns in front of him and crossed his arms in an "X" pattern and started headbanging. Russel responding by forming the "X" with his own arms. And then that guy went outside to smoke a joint, not Russel, the other guy who approached him.

But it was so weird for me. He's fucking standing right next to me, one of the best vocalists in all of metal, and I don't do shit. I just freeze. I couldn't even say "Hi." I lack social skills, I suck. Even if he said something to me, I don't know if I could have responded. And holy shit, he's a big dude. I'm a pretty big guy myself and I felt small standing next to him.

It was also weird though that nobody else, other than the pothead, approached him. I think the pothead was drunk too. So maybe if I was wasted, I could have talked to him, in fact I'm sure I could have. But I had to drive to fucking Iowa the next day, not to mention drive home from the venue that night.

[Octillus]

Yo Octillus:

Yeah, that guy calling you a superfan was pretty rude to you, just so you know... it was uncomfortable for me as well, because I knew you guys just wanted to hear some tunes.

Thank god, I thought I was just hallucinating the condescension. The other guys there were cool, I mean they were either of my department or former alumni of my department at school.



Terry Gilliam is by far my favorite filmmaker. Shit, Brazil is my favorite movie of all time. Imaginarium was very cool, and way better than the stinker that was Tideland.

DO NOT, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL HUMANITY, SEE AVATAR. PLEASE!!!! That is one of the most god awful unoriginal pieces of crap I've ever seen. If you want to see it go watch Pocahontas and you'll get far better music. Or if you really need to see it go watch it in 3-d and stick earplugs in your ears, because the "plot" really doesn't matter. Or just stick Ki or Addicted in your ears and wha-la, instantly better. Here, this should make you giggle: http://failblog.org/2010/01/10/avatar-plot-fail/
But.... Star Trek was unbelievable.

No no. I meant solely for visuals and sound, and 3-D is an absolute must. The movie itself is pretty bad, yes. The plot is a recycled one, and is just way over the top. If you want to "fuck subtlety", the plot and horrid script in Avatar does just that. And the movie fucks subtlety in a bad way, in an awkward position, not like the beautiful way that Dev fucks it.

Totally agree on Panassus....a total headfuck but so worth it. my only grumbling is about Colin Farrell....'cos I don't think he's any good.

This is an interesting thread. I find it awkward to talk to people I respect and or idolize. I had a chance to talk to Devin at the Atlanta show when he walked by me but I did nothing. I just didn't know what to say and I'm a weird guy. I was in the same position a few years ago when I was at a show and I saw the lead singer of a legendary death metal band standing in front of me like he wanted to talk. In the end I said nothing because all could think of to say at the time was "Man, death metal rules!" which was just to dorky to say.

I have an easier time talking with people I don't really know or people who are struggling to make something out of their art. I want to show them more support and offer them my encouragement. Once someone reaches a "celebrity" at least in my mind I find that I become more of a pest than a supporting fan. Again this is just my personal view.

Besides I still have this forum and that serves it's purpose nicely. If I did talk to Devin then I would of said "Thanks for going on tour again. I really appreciated it. I enjoyed the show immensely even with the click track." Probably followed up with a please come back again.

I don't know. Leaving people alone is kind of my way of showing respect. I always heard that fame was a bitch but I wouldn't know personally.

For a movie recommendation I just saw the The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus in the theaters and I was blown away. One of the best movies I've seen in years and I recommend it to everyone. It really got into personal fantasies and vices in an interesting way. I think I'd have a hard time talking to Terry Gilliam too.

You're not alone. I almost shit my pants when i met Bruce Campbel at his book signing.

[The Dev]

2 things:

1) If you see someone you enjoy the work of, saying 'hey...' or whatever is great...acceptable and flattering..

I guess to clarify, it's the obsessive kind of thing that bothers most folks I think, but if you're appreciate of the work, Man! Thats the highest compliment...

I don't know if I'm being clear here...

2) My main problem with religions is the exclusionary aspects...there are many great things in many religions, yet if you are not adhering to one, then you are damned in a way...or 'pitied'... I remember being all fucked up in my mid 20's and going to the Christian church, the Hare Krisna temple, and another one (I forget whom...) and I stated how much the concept of 'the infinte' (or whatever metaphor for god suited it) was dear to me, and had GREAT conversations with the heads of each, until I asked each one what the fate of the others were...and they ALL said (paraphrasing) if you're not with US, you are doomed... thats what still depresses and confuses me, the exclusionary aspects of something that seems universal with just many different aesthetics.

Buddhism is cool in that way, but I have recently met some real dickhead buddhists too...condesending to the tits, and really insecure.

Thats it, sorry to keep on it...

This is an interesting thread. I find it awkward to talk to people I respect and or idolize. I had a chance to talk to Devin at the Atlanta show when he walked by me but I did nothing. I just didn't know what to say and I'm a weird guy.

I did the same thing when I saw Symphony X a couple years ago. I was standing at the end of the bar drinking a beer and watching one of the other bands play. It wasn't crowded where I was standing, the bar and the concert area are on two separate levels. Russel Allen came over and stood right by me, literally within 3 feet. He was watching the band on stage just like I was. We're both standing there with our backs leaning up against the bar. I did nothing. I just internally froze and became overly anxious. I thought about saying, "Hey man, you're gonna kick our asses tonight right?" or, "Can I buy you a beer? Nah, don't want to fuck up your voice, how bout some water?" - but I just felt awkward and nervous. Nobody approached him either, except one guy who just put up the devil horns in front of him and crossed his arms in an "X" pattern and started headbanging. Russel responding by forming the "X" with his own arms. And then that guy went outside to smoke a joint, not Russel, the other guy who approached him.

But it was so weird for me. He's fucking standing right next to me, one of the best vocalists in all of metal, and I don't do shit. I just freeze. I couldn't even say "Hi." I lack social skills, I suck. Even if he said something to me, I don't know if I could have responded. And holy shit, he's a big dude. I'm a pretty big guy myself and I felt small standing next to him.

It was also weird though that nobody else, other than the pothead, approached him. I think the pothead was drunk too. So maybe if I was wasted, I could have talked to him, in fact I'm sure I could have. But I had to drive to fucking Iowa the next day, not to mention drive home from the venue that night.

Hey cool, another fan of Symphony X... Russell really is a huge guy... I've never had a chance to talk to any musical heroes of mine so I'm not quite sure how I'd react but I think I'd be saying something like "Hey... Uh, I like your music man... Could you sign this?" and feel like a douche afterwards.


And Avatar really is totally meh apart from the visuals. Someone said that the point of it is propably just to force people to the movie theater as it would make no sense to see it otherwise. This may become a trend... Making real pretty movies with recycled plots, I mean... Avatar seems to have become a huge success so I except more similiar stuff coming out in the following years.


Dev:

thats what still depresses and confuses me, the exclusionary aspects of something that seems universal with just many different aesthetics.

Man, I've always felt weird about the same thing. I can't believe that if there was this "god" of some sort, he'd be such a fucking asshole that he'd doom everyone who wasn't part of the "right" religious community. Makes no sense. I turned 18 last year and left the Lutheran church (which most of us Finns automatically become a part of when we're born). I just don't see the appeal in being a part of such thing... But I want to be open. I really hope there was something more than what life seems to be but I have a hard time seeing it. As of now, I believe that the best thing you can do is try to just focus on your life and things around you as things as "higher power" or "god" have no direct relevance to it.

I think when it comes to Bloodstock Open Air later this year, I'd be stoked just to shake your hand and say thanks for some awesome output - if just for my own selfish stakes - If you don't get enough of it already some gear nerding would be sweet too. It will be cool to see you share the same stage with FF. (perhaps some cool adlib collab on stage? one can wonder.)

Every single person I've seen/heard discussing that festival has mentioned how excited they are to see you. That 2006 download SYL set left alot of people happy.

take care

This is an interesting thread. I find it awkward to talk to people I respect and or idolize. I had a chance to talk to Devin at the Atlanta show when he walked by me but I did nothing. I just didn't know what to say and I'm a weird guy.

I did the same thing when I saw Symphony X a couple years ago. I was standing at the end of the bar drinking a beer and watching one of the other bands play. It wasn't crowded where I was standing, the bar and the concert area are on two separate levels. Russel Allen came over and stood right by me, literally within 3 feet. He was watching the band on stage just like I was. We're both standing there with our backs leaning up against the bar. I did nothing. I just internally froze and became overly anxious. I thought about saying, "Hey man, you're gonna kick our asses tonight right?" or, "Can I buy you a beer? Nah, don't want to fuck up your voice, how bout some water?" - but I just felt awkward and nervous. Nobody approached him either, except one guy who just put up the devil horns in front of him and crossed his arms in an "X" pattern and started headbanging. Russel responding by forming the "X" with his own arms. And then that guy went outside to smoke a joint, not Russel, the other guy who approached him.

But it was so weird for me. He's fucking standing right next to me, one of the best vocalists in all of metal, and I don't do shit. I just freeze. I couldn't even say "Hi." I lack social skills, I suck. Even if he said something to me, I don't know if I could have responded. And holy shit, he's a big dude. I'm a pretty big guy myself and I felt small standing next to him.

It was also weird though that nobody else, other than the pothead, approached him. I think the pothead was drunk too. So maybe if I was wasted, I could have talked to him, in fact I'm sure I could have. But I had to drive to fucking Iowa the next day, not to mention drive home from the venue that night.

Very glad to see others have the same social hangups around their musical idols as I do! Of course, I don't like to see anyone suffer, but you know what I mean... there is comfort in numbers. The concept of getting someone's autograph, much less harassing them at a frickin' Starbucks, is anathema to me.

I guess that's why my two vocations of choice, writing and chemistry, involve so much alone time. In the laboratory, I can do my own thing while still having human interaction. And at the computer, I can express those emotions and ideas I find so difficult to express verbally. Like the man said, "Nobody chooses to be a writer, it chooses them."

I will be attending the acoustic Seattle show, and while Devin has been very clear this is an event staged for fan interaction, I'm sure I'll just be chillin' in the back of the room. So Devin, if you see a 30-something portly dude standing in the back of the bookstore, accompanied by a super-cute chick in a wheelchair (my old lady), don't take my aloofness personally.

This particular introvert will be enjoying the hell out of your show!

I grew up Catholic. My wife grew up Lutheran. We got married in her hometown Lutheran church, which is a pretty common thing to do. Neither of us converted, because we are both indifferent and accepting when it comes to religion.
A Lutheran pastor presided over the ceremony.

My mom kept asking me something over and over again that REALLY pissed me off.
"Are you sure you don't want a priest at the wedding? The Catholic Church will not recognize this as a sacrament."

What better way to drive someone away from religion, especially your own son. Oh no, God is going to condemn me because my marriage isn't recognized as a sacrament and therefore I'm living a life of sin because I'm still having sex outside of marriage. WTF?!!

I still get really pissed off when I think about it.

Imagine how my mom felt when my sister took her giant 8-kid Irish Catholic family and took them out of the Catholic church and into a non-denominational one. Holy shit, talk about defiance!
They are all going to hell for sure.

I probably identify closer to Buddhism than anything, just for its philosophical aspects. But I am not a Buddhist, or anything else. I'm just my own kooky self. I believe that the absence of suffering is one of the greatest things that one can strive for, and that we are all inter-connected. And I think that mindfulness and tolerance go a long way towards making that happen. And I believe in some sort of existent being or beings that cannot be understood by humans, and whatever that may be, it "knows" how the universe (or multiverse) was created, or maybe it created it. Even still, I get obsessed with trying to learn as much as I can, striving to discover something that will have a giant profound impact on human understanding, in the realm of science.

But the main point I'm trying to make:
Fuck intolerant, narrow-minded, overly aggressive, and overly zealous religious extremists!
Actually fuck extremists of any kind, if they are intolerant, narrow-minded, overly aggressive, and overly zealous.

Maybe saying that is paradoxical, because doesn't that make me intolerant, narrow-minded, overly aggressive, and overly zealous when it comes to dealing with the extremists whom I defined above?!!

FUCK SALT

About awkward conversations with fans whilst in a bad mood:
50 seconds in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cS59Htl ... re=related
You're too nice and approachable. You need to get all Ziltoidian on our asses! Ha