Uhm, I have a feeling the 55 minute song is going to have a lot of soundscape parts, wont be all instrumentation, highly highly doubt it. But I could be wrong. And I know how you feel about the rough day thing...

Probably right. They are not strangers to atmospheric soundscapes, and mood-building. In any case, they'll deliver!! I've never personally been disappointed by them Sorry about the bad day - tomorrow will be better, right?



Right? *sigh*

I would not really mind it being similar to Insurgentes, it's grown on me and it is a jizzable album. Especially Significant Other. Or FoaBP/Nil Recurring ish! But I really hope it won't end up like Octavarium, I like the song but I never listen to it because it's so long. I'd prefer it if it was split up in different parts.

Uhm, I have a feeling the 55 minute song is going to have a lot of soundscape parts, wont be all instrumentation, highly highly doubt it. But I could be wrong. And I know how you feel about the rough day thing...

I can't tolerate songs that're like that. They get boring unless they're diverse enough to hold my attention. I mean, even Meshuggah's "I" was only 25 minutes but it was so varied and it changed rhythm and style and tone so frequently that it was gripping (Similarly with Catch Thirty-Three, but that was at least divided up into songs - even if it was intended to be one piece). I've always found most of PT's stuff a bit monotonous. Sure, it's ok to listen to for a little while and you're all relaxed and nicely chilled out but then your mind begins to wander and you start wondering what's for dinner and what film you'll watch tonight and then the whole intensity of the music is lost because of your brief distraction. I doubt I'll enjoy 55 minutes of floaty bollocks.

Uhm, I have a feeling the 55 minute song is going to have a lot of soundscape parts, wont be all instrumentation, highly highly doubt it. But I could be wrong. And I know how you feel about the rough day thing...

I can't tolerate songs that're like that. They get boring unless they're diverse enough to hold my attention. I mean, even Meshuggah's "I" was only 25 minutes but it was so varied and it changed rhythm and style and tone so frequently that it was gripping (Similarly with Catch Thirty-Three, but that was at least divided up into songs - even if it was intended to be one piece). I've always found most of PT's stuff a bit monotonous. Sure, it's ok to listen to for a little while and you're all relaxed and nicely chilled out but then your mind begins to wander and you start wondering what's for dinner and what film you'll watch tonight and then the whole intensity of the music is lost because of your brief distraction. I doubt I'll enjoy 55 minutes of floaty bollocks.

Well that depends on what PT album you're listening to. They did Anesthetize, they can pull it off if it's as awesome as that.

And Anesthetize is a fucking savage song, to their credit. I just dunno if they could pull that off for nearly an hour.

[swervedriver]

I will eat my shoes if they pull off Anesthesize times 3.

Porcupine Tree will pull off Abydost if you eat your shoes 3 times. They told me to tell you.

I would not really mind it being similar to Insurgentes, it's grown on me and it is a jizzable album. Especially Significant Other. Or FoaBP/Nil Recurring ish! But I really hope it won't end up like Octavarium, I like the song but I never listen to it because it's so long. I'd prefer it if it was split up in different parts.

Haha "jizzable" - Steven Wilson really nailed making each song completely different. Here's the thing though with Anesthetize or any longer song, if one prefers it to be broken up, just do it in iTunes, maybe that would be more listenable to you. But there is something to be said about consistency and flow. I'm not trying to be a jerk, you know I think you're a winner

Uhm, I have a feeling the 55 minute song is going to have a lot of soundscape parts, wont be all instrumentation, highly highly doubt it. But I could be wrong. And I know how you feel about the rough day thing...

I can't tolerate songs that're like that. They get boring unless they're diverse enough to hold my attention. I mean, even Meshuggah's "I" was only 25 minutes but it was so varied and it changed rhythm and style and tone so frequently that it was gripping (Similarly with Catch Thirty-Three, but that was at least divided up into songs - even if it was intended to be one piece). I've always found most of PT's stuff a bit monotonous. Sure, it's ok to listen to for a little while and you're all relaxed and nicely chilled out but then your mind begins to wander and you start wondering what's for dinner and what film you'll watch tonight and then the whole intensity of the music is lost because of your brief distraction. I doubt I'll enjoy 55 minutes of floaty bollocks.

Uhhh... how much Tree have you heard? Even if you don't like the music, 'monotonous' would not a good word to describe them The way I understood it, when Alucard said what he did about soundscapes, I understood that to mean that it won't be constant balls-to-the-wall Anesthetize-style music; perhaps that it will be broken up here and there, and differentiated through out (maybe with a running theme?) And I wouldn't call that floaty bollocks... I'd call that 'diverse enough to hold your attention.' There are tons of meter changes, recurring themes, sometimes polyrhythms, through out their music, if that's not enough...??? Now I don't know any more about this album beyond what we've read, but having listened to plenty of Tree, I can only assume that whatever they put out will be quality.

And if you don't like their music, don't buy the CD.

I used "scoundscapes" as a way to put "ambient passages" considering PT has a long history working with Robert Fripp who invented "soundscapes". Even Catch 33 had its ambient parts, the last half of In Death - Is Death is basically all ambiance, most of Mind's Mirrors is ambiance and the ending of Sum is as well. Having a song thats over 10 minutes long and not having passages like that almost makes it too much. You need that break.

Like Anesthetize for example, after almost every heavy section they have a very slow and calm section to break it up. It works very, very well, and if we use that song in terms of how this new album will sound, I have a feeling we're in for a major treat.

Uhhh... how much Tree have you heard?

I've listened to all of their albums rather thoroughly. I liked them a lot about two years ago but became disinterested after everything started sounding technically similar.

Even if you don't like the music, 'monotonous' would not a good word to describe them

Well monotonous is too strong a word for anything with more than one tone so that was hyperbole really. But aside from the linguistic indescrepancies, I just find them boring. Their music is really lovely but they do go on and on. I find that when they create a nice sound they reiterate it again and again until I'm sick of it, and the way I see it they're kind of humping their own leg a bit in that regard.

The way I understood it, when Alucard said what he did about soundscapes, I understood that to mean that it won't be constant balls-to-the-wall Anesthetize-style music; perhaps that it will be broken up here and there, and differentiated through out (maybe with a running theme?) And I wouldn't call that floaty bollocks... I'd call that 'diverse enough to hold your attention.' There are tons of meter changes, recurring themes, sometimes polyrhythms, through out their music, if that's not enough...???

Sure, the theory of it is marvellous. But outside of the study of the composition I just don't find it enjoyable to listen to because of the repetitive nature of the instrumentals. They've never come down on me with a bang, and any musicians I follow religiously have done that to me rather forcefully. I feel that way about a lot of the bands I like but don't love. If Dev or Pain of Salvation were putting out a 55 minute song I'd come right there on the spot but if Borknagar or Alcest or one of the bands that I enjoy listening to but don't absolutely adore were going to I'd be just as meh as I am about PT.

And if you don't like their music, don't buy the CD.

I probably wouldn't anyway. They're never in the shops and I don't own a credit card, neither are mummy and daddy dearest particularly obliging on the money front. I'd be saving any credit card use privileges for my favourite bands evar due to aforementioned limitations.

Fair enough, it's all a matter of opinions. I disagree with everything up there, you disagree with me. It's not a big deal.
I get protective when it comes to the Tree....it's a bad habit of mine.

For some laughs - I found this on another forumz, and found it lol-able

Steven Wilson - Significant Other

Oh god how awesome, IT IS SO AWESOME IT MAKES ME RAGE BECAUSE ITS SO PERFECT AND I'M LIKE RAGE.

Big Red chewing gum is awesone.
Feel the burn!

Play Call of Duty: World at War with Mike, John, Jordan, James and John from Dream Theater this Saturday 8 pm! I lol'd.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/PLAY-CALL-OF-DUTY-WITH-DREAM-THEATER-20308.aspx

Play Call of Duty: World at War with Mike, John, Jordan, James and John from Dream Theater this Saturday 8 pm! I lol'd.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/PLAY-CALL-OF-DUTY-WITH-DREAM-THEATER-20308.aspx

Here's Alucard's chance to inform them they're smug douchebags (and pwn them).