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Hey guys, I am thinking about buying these two on vinyl and have looked through the forums and have only found some info about Addicted on vinyl but I suppose these questions are still for both of these titles on vinyl.

How is the sound quality of Ki and Addicted compared to the CD version?
I know the Addicted Vinyl gatefold has lyrics printed from ziltoid but does the KI vinyl have any errors as well?
Does the colored vinyl last after a couple plays? I have heard that some colored vinyl looses quality after numerous plays.
Can someone post some pics of the KI vinyl and gatefold?
Also, any comments on the quality differences between any of the other albums on vinyl is warranted. Thinking about buying those as well, including "Infinity" because I have heard the quality is definitely better on vinyl for that.

Thanks for any information! Will help in my decision on purchasing these babies.

In regards to the colour, it should be fine. I have some coloured vinyls by another band (red, yellow and clear red) and they've been played numerous times with no change to the visual quality. Besides; colour change would indicate fading, which would affect the audio quality as the surface is pretty delicate.

there is an entire thread dedicated to the vinyl releases, i recommend reading it top to bottom.

Ki and Ziltoid have bizarre side endings and beginnings. the last song on a side will continue into the next song (gapless, as on the CD), then fade out. same with the other side fading in.

Infinity seems to be mastered from a high quality (beyond 44.1kHz) source, as the vinyl rip spectrograph extends far beyond the Red Book CD spec frequency response.

all vinyl sound quality degrades when you play it. part of the charm/fun is that every listen is, technically, different, and 'dirtier.' i too have heard coloured vinyl lessens audio quality faster than black, but all of them have pigmentation; vinyl is naturally clear (like the AE vinyl, right?). you don't get to choose black vinyl until the colours have sold out, though.

If they were recorded digitally, I can't imagine them sounding better than the CD.

Out of all the vinyls records released (I own them all) Infinity is far and away the best sounding. The rest aren't bad but I'm pretty sure they're nothing more than a tweaked CD master.

When the hell are we getting Ocean Machine and Terria?

ctfod wrote:If they were recorded digitally, I can't imagine them sounding better than the CD.

everything pre-2005 was recorded to tape, but those can't have been the sources of the vinyl releases unless the labels have copies of the final master on tape, as Dev lost the vast majority of that stuff in "the great flood" of 2004.

even then, Infinity is from a super high quality source (presumably 24bit/96kHz ish), even if digital. that means the music — data though it may be (until it hits the cutting lathe) — is far more detailed than on the CD, so even if it's from the technical standpoint alone, it does sound better. whether any given person will hear it is fairly subjective, given the large variance in things like age, ear condition, listening hardware, and so on.

static2 wrote:i too have heard coloured vinyl lessens audio quality faster than black, but all of them have pigmentation; vinyl is naturally clear (like the AE vinyl, right?).

The amount of pigment in vinyl is such an insignificant amount; it would not affect the quality of the plastic, so a clear record would sound just as good as a black record, and so will a marbled colour record. The only reason I am guessing black is the preferred default pigment for vinyl records is that it's the most visually flexible colour to use in high volume production.

Cheaply produced records will deteriorate faster as they use inferior plastics, but this is not really the case these days as vinyl records are not the standard format. The only thing I can think of on a modern record that would hinder the sound quality is picture discs, but you're not really SUPPOSED to play those...

Lettuce wrote:

static2 wrote:i too have heard coloured vinyl lessens audio quality faster than black, but all of them have pigmentation; vinyl is naturally clear (like the AE vinyl, right?).

The amount of pigment in vinyl is such an insignificant amount; it would not affect the quality of the plastic, so a clear record would sound just as good as a black record, and so will a marbled colour record. The only reason I am guessing black is the preferred default pigment for vinyl records is that it's the most visually flexible colour to use in high volume production.

Cheaply produced records will deteriorate faster as they use inferior plastics, but this is not really the case these days as vinyl records are not the standard format. The only thing I can think of on a modern record that would hinder the sound quality is picture discs, but you're not really SUPPOSED to play those...

Yeah, I play my picture disks...

Lettuce wrote:The amount of pigment in vinyl is such an insignificant amount; it would not affect the quality of the plastic, so a clear record would sound just as good as a black record, and so will a marbled colour record. The only reason I am guessing black is the preferred default pigment for vinyl records is that it's the most visually flexible colour to use in high volume production.

Cheaply produced records will deteriorate faster as they use inferior plastics, but this is not really the case these days as vinyl records are not the standard format. The only thing I can think of on a modern record that would hinder the sound quality is picture discs, but you're not really SUPPOSED to play those...

it seems that doesn't follow through when it comes to pressing vinyl. the best list of attestations and grouping of experienced opinions/gathering of facts i've found on this is at Gearslutz, wherein the general gist is that coloured vinyl sounds inferior because the carbon black agent used to make the transparent PVC black actually smooths out a lot of surface noise!

Well, I know nothing about audio engineering; but I know a lot about making crap with plastic So it's just my fourpence worth.