Everyone should convert to bubble pipes. Not just smokers. Everyone.

Everyone.

EveryTHING.

Even bubble pipes themselves.

Everyone should convert to bubble pipes. Not just smokers. Everyone.

Everyone.

EveryTHING.

Even bubble pipes themselves.

But then surely this would lead to bubble pipes smoking smaller bubble pipes smoking smaller bubble pipes for infinity?

Everyone should convert to bubble pipes. Not just smokers. Everyone.

Everyone.

EveryTHING.

Even bubble pipes themselves.

But then surely this would lead to bubble pipes smoking smaller bubble pipes smoking smaller bubble pipes for infinity?

You say that like it's a bad thing...

Everyone should convert to bubble pipes. Not just smokers. Everyone.

Everyone.

EveryTHING.

Even bubble pipes themselves.

But then surely this would lead to bubble pipes smoking smaller bubble pipes smoking smaller bubble pipes for infinity?

You say that like it's a bad thing...

Good point! But unless we wish for this quote pyramid to become like hte bubble pipes, let us leave it there.

Bubbles leave little soap rings on furniture.

Bubbles leave little soap rings on furniture.

Right. Compared to cigarettes, which turn the walls yellow.

Bubbles leave little soap rings on furniture.

Right. Compared to cigarettes, which turn the walls yellow.

I wasn't comparing them, just sharing a trivial housekeeping tip.

Bubbles leave little soap rings on furniture.

Right. Compared to cigarettes, which turn the walls yellow.

I wasn't comparing them, just sharing a trivial housekeeping tip.

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Which coincidentally will actually REALLY help me out right now, since I just got a call from some people saying they're coming over with bubbles.

Not kidding.

Haha, awesome!

Do you remember the bubbles you could stick together? I left one on a bookshelf, and it lasted about a week, or 2 before it finally popped.

[Keeker]

Bubbles leave little soap rings on furniture.

Right. Compared to cigarettes, which turn the walls yellow.

I wasn't comparing them, just sharing a trivial housekeeping tip.

And they also make the floor helluva slippy. (Memories of sliding in it and severely hurting backside when kids were wee and spilled the stuff everywhere regularly).

Un-awesome: Cigarettes. I hate them. I hate the smell, I hate the look. Regular, non additive, natural tobacco smells so much better dammit.

American Spirit makes a "well-packaged" natural tobacco cigarette that frankly, tastes awful. I'd take a Turkish Silver to it any day. But, if you're looking a really good smoke, you should roll your own. It's rewarding.

That said, I haven't smoked in months, so my opinion may be a ways off by now.

On the subject of rap, I think islandsinthesky made good points. I know that it's likely that I only see the tip of the iceberg, so I'm hesitant to comment.

I dont smoke, I'm just tired of being around people who do, cause literally over 90% of the people I know smoke cigarettes. The only thing I will smoke is a hookah, and that's not even burning tobacco.

As for the rap argument, you need to understand something island, I enjoy very little rap for a bunch of reasons. For one, I am a musician, a guitarist/bassist, and I need to hear instrumentation to really "get" something out of music. Secondly, I'm horribly tired of seeing white kids walk around acting like they are black and saying "yo dawg" and what not. I'm tired of it, I honestly think they do NOT need to act like that to be a fan of the genre. I dont have tattoos, piercings, I dont smoke, I dont drink, yet I listen to a lot of metal. Most metal artists do/have those things but I dont. You dont need to be a symbol of your favorite genre to be a fan.

I'd keep going but I dont want to.

Un-awesome: Cigarettes. I hate them. I hate the smell, I hate the look. Regular, non additive, natural tobacco smells so much better dammit.

Yeah I gotta agree with you on this, except for the tobacco part, it's not for me. I don't have a problem with people who choose to smoke, but the act itself really turns me off.

What I strongly dislike is that when you're around smokers, you're going to smell like their smoke, whether you try to avoid it or not. It permeates, It gets everywhere, in your hair... I just wish it wouldn't get all over me and linger.


Not trying to sound like an ass or anything, but I'm entitled to my opinions just as anyone else is.

Everyone should convert to bubble pipes. Not just smokers. Everyone.

Everyone.

Yeah I could get into that. I've always wanted one of those. As well as an eye patch. Or a monocle. I'd look so cool with a monocle.


I'm surprised no one's made a joke about Noisy Pink Bubbles. I mean, we are talking about bubbles here.

I'm a noisy pink bubble

The poor guy, he got himself into such a shitty industry. Not only does it give black people a terrible reputation (because correct me if I'm wrong or just being a fucking racist, but rap is pretty much the only niche in the Western World in terms of careers where black people dominate it exclusively), it also encircles everyone it sucks in and puts them through hell - losing loved ones, drugs, being shot, getting in fights, dying of overdoses...

First of all, no. That's not what rap in itself represents. Not all rap perpetuates stereotypes and is giving black people a terrible reputation. That what the mainstream of rap is, and therefore what anyone who wants to speak on the genre without properly exploring it will see.

But the mainstream is all the general populace has to go by. I know that it's not all bitches pecs limos but that's all anyone who doesn't explore the genre will see (like you said). And Eminem really did hang out with the famous fuckers. Proof died cos he got a bit pissed off during a game of pool when he was absolutely twisted drunk and decided to shoot somebody in the head. I mean, that's a bit of an overreaction. And that sort of stupid bollocks is why the East coast West coast shit is still fucking claiming lives. And that is a perfectly reasonable viewpoint for somebody who only sees the face value of rap.

Do you think metal should be judged by the actions of Varg Vikernes, Faust, Euronymous, or any of the kids who listen to Marilyn Manson and go shoot up a school? Or even just Marilyn Manson and Slipknot and the likes? Perhaps they have some useful bits of wisdom in their music, but it's disguised behind glorified violence, sex and drug use, and shock value.

Well the first three examples you give are pretty awful because they're certainly not affiliated with the mainstream Children of Bodom/Iron Maiden/Metallica lovers of metal (fair-weather fans, just like I'm an on and off rap fan), I doubt any of those little shits going to Dragonforce gigs would even know who Euronymous is. As for Marilyn Manson/Slipknot, that is how metal is perceived by the public at large. And frankly I don't really give a damn because I'm happy knowing that I appreciate it on a different level, that I can embrace other genres, that people who are ignorant about what it entails won't give it a chance and thus won't have the pleasures I've had while I've enjoyed it. I'm sure hard-core fans of rap feel the same way about people like me who just see it as negros shooting each other and then bawwing into a synthesiser.

Rap is first of all a very young genre in comparison to others, and second of all a very diverse genre depending on how far you want to explore it. Write it off all you want, but do not speak on it if you're not willing to give it a good look-through. Go over to the music recommendation thread if you want a surprise, or keep arguing about how "rap is just crap without the c".

I never wrote it off, I just said that it's a shitty industry. I really like a good bit of rap (not bothered to make a big list) and have listened to 90% of the collaborations you mentioned above. I'm correct in saying that most people involved in (successful) rap seem to have had horrible upbringings on the streets and subsequently get into lots of trouble with gang crime and other retarded shit. But if you’re going for rap without the “c“, you should consider rap without the e: e-rap. I think that’s what the joke is anyway.

Second of all, rap is not putting people in a hole where they go through that drama. In a lot of circumstances, it actually pulls them out of that hole. That hole is places like the projects of Detroit, Brownsville in Brooklyn, and the west side of Chicago (where I grew up). And it disenfranchises black people, because it makes them think that the only way they'll ever get out of there is if they become a rapper or an athlete. This is despite the fact that the president of the united states is black, and that there is more chances for blacks to succeed than any time ever (United Negro College Fund is only one of many scholarships). Yes, a black man would face more oppression than a white man when trying to get to a good position in life, especially since in a lot of cases, anyone trying to succeed will be called an uncle tom by people in their same age group. But also when you live in a place like that, you don't get raised in the environment best suited to get you out of it. But that's not the rap industry's fault. They're not sucked into that, they're mostly BORN into that.

I agree for the most part, like I said most of them have been through hell even before they get into the industry. But adding the financial ease of access to drugs, having a name which could get you killed, saying controversial shit that people don't like, losing people you love to violence... they're all repercussions which have befallen Eminem as a result of the industry. You can’t say that rappers are out of the hole once they get the exposure that the (copious amounts) of poor assassinated niggers have had.

Although I probably didn't express it very clearly, I was pretty much saying what you just said in retaliation to me, except in a vaguer format. I just figured what's the point in putting up any sort of elaborate sentiment about rap in a thread on a forum in support of an artist who plays primarily metal. And people called me a hostile retard. Guess I'll shut the fuck up with my sympathy in future.

To be honest, alot of the time I have toruble differentiating between teh actual culture between metal and rap. Yes, the music is profoundly different in many ways, and how songs are structured and presented, yes, but alot of what is said and alot of the actiosn that take place inside the industry and outside are very similar.

Just the other day, I was walting throught ehcollege campus, people playing music on their phones. Walked past a group of the rap-lovin' lot, and the words i hear as I walk past are "Take out my gat and shoot that fucker in the head." I nodded, standard stuff, kept walking, past a group of the metal lovin' lot, and I hear "And I will shoot that fucker between the eyes."

It's basically the same lyric presented slightly differently, but it was mystifying.

Outside the culture - Kids who work as street crews for rappers beating up one-another or killing one another for what ever reason. I won't dig deep because I haven't much interest, but on that same line, seeing a bunch of metal-heads trying ot kick the crap out of another set of metal-heads because one group thought Sepultura was shit. Walking back later, saw one guy being taken away in an ambulance and the rest in cuffs.

Find a point within that, ladies and gents, I'm too tired to remember it.