I believe in vibration as the underlining relity to all physical form, and because plants consume light as a food source, the more vegetable matter I eat, the more I fill my body with the vibrations of light (cue hippy flute music and an eletist nw agey dude whos a dick to hang out with) but it's true. Animals get killed in such a brutal way, that what you consume is trauma. Every bit helps I think when trying keep find the center.

I agree with you there, I have my own very personal spiritual views, plucked from anything I read that resonates with my understanding of the world and the absorbing of what I call exo-nutrients in food is something I am always aware of.

Second that, a very profound & true way of thinking about it, I'd never considered it in such a way. It's great to hear it from the horses mouth, as it were. Unfortunately I'm not in a position to totally change my lifestyle so I'm still a raging carnivore until then!

1) Quitting meat.


... What's your favorite vegetarian dish/snack?

- I love SPICY food, I don't dig wimpy food. I like my food to be strong, basic, and hurtful.

if i can ask dev what is your favorites for these catagorys
fresh chilli (ex habanaro)
dried spice (cayenne pepper)
tradintial hot sauce ( tabasco ergh)
non traditional sauce ( THSC's Nagasav)

my favs go like this
habanaro
habanaro
drooling devil garlic chili sauce (canadian)
The hippy seed co's NagaSav

hope to hear from ya dev oh and if you ever need a sauce/chili recomendation for something new give me a pm and ill try and find something for your perticular tastes

I believe in vibration as the underlining relity to all physical form, and because plants consume light as a food source, the more vegetable matter I eat, the more I fill my body with the vibrations of light (cue hippy flute music and an eletist nw agey dude whos a dick to hang out with) but it's true. Animals get killed in such a brutal way, that what you consume is trauma. Every bit helps I think when trying keep find the center.

Pretty Deep Brother... But can you hear the carrots scream when they get pulled from the ground?

Basically, in life the sheep on my dad's farm are very well looked after, their death is not pretty, but their lives were lived good and that to me is the underlying importance. I'd ritually kill each animal if it were feasible.

I agree with Shub here. We eat loads of meat, but pretty much all of it has either been reared by us or by people we know in conditions we deem okay, or from wild animals that live their lives as nature intended, and most of it gets killed by me in as un-traumatic a way as possible. Their deaths may not be pretty, it would be weirder if it was. They generally suffer much less than any death nature would deal out.

[Octillus]

Basically, in life the sheep on my dad's farm are very well looked after, their death is not pretty, but their lives were lived good and that to me is the underlying importance. I'd ritually kill each animal if it were feasible.

I agree with Shub here. We eat loads of meat, but pretty much all of it has either been reared by us or by people we know in conditions we deem okay, or from wild animals that live their lives as nature intended, and most of it gets killed by me in as un-traumatic a way as possible. Their deaths may not be pretty, it would be weirder if it was. They generally suffer much less than any death nature would deal out.

And if the rest of world, and in particular the US, was still like that I'd feel a lot better and probably eat meat. That's just not how North America operates, unfortunately. We could really go into this, but I think one of the saddest things in the world is how we've genetically engineered animals to give higher yield (such as pigs who are too sickly to be handled outside of a germ free suit and/or a chemical bath) that we artificially inseminate and kill and consume as commodities. It's fucking obscene.


The worst part is, the reason I stopped eating meat was because it was an excuse to make me eat healthier (don't give me shit, it forces me to eat better and I know I could eat healthy while eating poultry and fish but that's just now how it worked for me). I still ate meat knowing what I know about the grizzly industry. It's a creepy, terrifying thing.

And I hate PETA for using scare tactics than the far more rational approach of just telling it like it is. If the whole world ate organic anti-cruelty meat, then hey, I'd support it. As it stands it's a diseased creepy process that reminds me of the anime film Akira for some reason.

This is of course before we talk about the offal that cows in the beef industry eat. Yep, the offal that often includes byproducts and organs of other cows so we can save money on the hormones we're pumping into them.

So for the record I guess I'm saying that I'm vegetarian and not anti the consumption of meat, I mean we developed as omnivores after all, I'm vegetarian anti the abomination of nature we're committing.

Dev your such a metal buddha

He truly is!

I could never give up meat though. Besides, as humans, our teeth have evolved to facilitate the consumption of meat.

I find the slaughter of the cow on Apocalypse Now interesting. A lot of people think it was done in bad taste, but it's quite ceremonious. Like how cat's play with mice until they're willing to accept death. Must make 'em yummier. Although not sure if that's why Chinese like to brutalize dogs before eating them. Any one else seen the show of how an autistic lady revolutionized the cattle industry? Some how due to her affliction she was able to understand the cows, and how they were reacting to slaughter house methods, changed it all around to make the cows feel more comfortable about being killed. Love a good bit of bio-dynamic steak.
Sure there is more appropriate ways to harvest plants and fruits too, give them a more 'usable' quality. I know there is definitely better and worse methods to grow/produce them.

My bloodlust is just too strong to give up eating meat

Porn, on the other hand, is something I'm trying very hard to kick. Like you said, Devin, porn is like candy on the internet. I've also been married for a LONG time, so I don't mind getting a little jump-start now and again. All that said, it is incredibly unhealthy. I'm not saying this as some Puritanical douchebag; I like watching gyrating pootie as much as the next guy. But, despite what Sasha Grey might say, porn is an industry based on victimization and subjugation. There is simply no way to view those performers in a respectful light, and I think you run an unnecessary risk of generalizing those feelings to all women (and men, too, probably). Of course, R. Crumb has been doing this for years and I think he's brilliant so...

I guess I'm striving for more moderation in my life, but my self-destructive tendencies keep getting in the way. Anyone else have this problem?

It's frustrating because I'm an older cat (about Devin's age, in fact), and it feels like I should have these things under control by now.

[The Dev]

Let me say this:

Nothing makes me want to eat meat more than fucking elitist vegetarians. It comes with an aesthetic that can blow me in honesty. I do it as a discipline, and I rarely talk about it. Any vegetarian that tells you it tastes just as good is full of shit. Most of my food tastes like a sweat sock, but the longer I go without meat, the better the sock tastes.

Anything I do is what I've learned after years of fucking up that works for me..but by no means are my hypothesis based in anything other than justifying self preservation.

Drink, smoke, jack off, whatever...be happy, follow your bliss.

Freemason stuff btw is nuts...I'd be a massive liability to any 'secret society'...I've got a big mouth and I'm unpredictable and indecisive. Plus, weird hats look stupid on me.

[Octillus]

Let me say this:

Nothing makes me want to eat meat more than fucking elitist vegetarians. It comes with an aesthetic that can blow me in honesty. I do it as a discipline, and I rarely talk about it. Any vegetarian that tells you it tastes just as good is full of shit. Most of my food tastes like a sweat sock, but the longer I go without meat, the better the sock tastes.

I'm not going to disagree with the notion. I was just sayin my reasons mr. townsend. I don't like talking about it much myself because I always feel like I have to defend and justify it, so I guess I overcompensate.

To quote one of my muses, the venture bros:

"Everything has a soul"
"What, so like I should become a vegetarian or something?"
"No, everything, even spinach. No matter what, you can't win."

I should add a corollary to my meatist statements above - that before I was in a position to source and butcher my own meat I was a vegetarian for 13 years and would be again if I had to rely on the vagaries of supermarket and restaurant meat. I think the key is eating aware and taking responsibility for what you put in your body. Since being responsible for feeding my children I am even more conscious of this stuff.

To be honest, I don't think you can say that "x is always harmful to the person that consumes it". It's not a binary thing, harmful/not-harmful, it's a continuum. It really depends on what that thing is, and the way that person is wired.

Something like heroin is going to be harmful to the vast majority of people, due to its extremely addictive nature. Something like alcohol on the other hand can be enjoyed in moderation by some, others just can't (or shouldn't) touch it at all. I've seen it in my circle of friends, some people just can't drink without going overboard, and they get paranoid and violent when they get drunk, that's no way to be. Others can enjoy a drink, and are good natured when they've had a few. It all depends on the person really.

To some people, even something relatively innocuous like video games can be a serious addiction, hence all those sad bastards that spend almost as many hours in World of Warcraft or Second Life as they would at a full-time job (sometimes while holding a full-time job at the same time).

Vegetables are a step closer to the light... I like that. It's deep yet not mystical. If you eat meat you need to deal with one more stage of metabolic efficiency along with the brutality.

Disclaimer: I eat meat.

1) Quitting meat.
What diet are you on - vegan or lacto-ovo vegetarian? What were the reasons for quitting meat (it's mostly harmless). Did you notice any change in your mental landscape when not eating meat for some time? Is it easy to keep up?

-I've been vegetarian, not vegan, pretty much for 20 years. (a few months off here and there) No 'Peta' rhetoric or what have you. Essentially it's a daily discipline that extends to every part of my life. My favorite food is steak, but I don't eat it because it leads to wine, and then drugs. Seriously. I find that vegetables and tofu are basically vehicles for sauce for me. I have protein (tofu vs chicken) and a great sauce, and I don't really miss it. I believe in vibration as the underlining relity to all physical form, and because plants consume light as a food source, the more vegetable matter I eat, the more I fill my body with the vibrations of light (cue hippy flute music and an eletist nw agey dude whos a dick to hang out with) but it's true. Animals get killed in such a brutal way, that what you consume is trauma. Every bit helps I think when trying keep find the center.

...and if you understand and appreciate the cycle of thing in this world (yeah the eletist nw agey dude is standing next to me right now too lol) everything has the potential to be a part of some kind of food cycle, but growing animals for consumption on a factory farm isn't a part of that. I personally am vegan (straight egde technically as well) but I'm not one to say that eating an animal is a bad thing. Other animals eat other animals so if we are infact developed apes than we could fit into that equation. Natives have been doing it for eons...and/or you could look at it like we're evolved apes and we have no need for meat and it's only become a developed part of our diets over the years. But I do think that is more true with diary....(we're the only creature that drinks the breast milk of other animals, kind gross when you think about it....)So maybe we've evolved our diets while we've evolved also (unless you believe we're really aliens....different topic though). Whether it's for better or worse is still up for discussion....

What I do think people fail to realize is it's not hard to be vegetarian or vegan. It kind of forces you to get more creative in what you make for dinner/lunch/snacks. You can replace meat and cheese with pretty much anything else. And if you're eating things that come from this earth (rooted and planted food) as Dev said you're consuming it's energy, power, light...it's a good way at looking at it...

Maybe Dev will agree with me on this also but since i went vegan, I have felt like my body "feels" more in sync with everything around me....that or I just took too much LSD as a teen. lol But this also happened when I cleaned up and got sober. I learned to feel the "high" from everything around me. Once you're totally clear in the head and can feel your brain synapses firing because of a gorgeous sunset, you don't need toxins, drugs, etc ever again. It's like playing music on a stage....you end up creating your own high based on experience, action and enviroment. The better your body feels, the easier it gets to sink into those moments.

Meat is a part of my life. I can't live without meat. I went vego for 11 weeks about 2 years ago. I could no longer create music and i was weak like a pastastring. But everything changed in a spiritual way like everything felt different in a good and pure way. I don't know if it was that current perriod of my life or if it was all the green shit i ate that caused it. But otherwise it was fucking horrible so i just said to myself 'f*ck it' and i went for a big mac with some friends.