Guys, just use OMNISPHERE. The greatest VST you'll ever need.

also costs 500 bucks...

not if you dl it

as a software developer I can frankly say: people that download all their software are fucking scum

not to generalize or anything..

Yeah really, good thing Dev is a little more open minded than this guy.

Guys, just use OMNISPHERE. The greatest VST you'll ever need.

also costs 500 bucks...

not if you dl it

as a software developer I can frankly say: people that download all their software are fucking scum

not to generalize or anything..

...every other fecking freeloader is generalising. I bet they're deliberate enough to feel guilt copyright.

...but anyway, if you make headway from stolen software and gain potential, that potential will start finding it's way home to your own natural energy and seek reimbursement from your creative potential. If you don't think that's important then good for you. If you do good for you. One of those ways will matter sooner or later.

very true, however i can understand peoples frustration at having their work stolen, i just don't think everyone who downloads software is scum. meh, who cares, not long till hard copies of ki start arriving in letterboxes.

also costs 500 bucks...

not if you dl it[/quote]

as a software developer I can frankly say: people that download all their software are fucking scum[/quote]

not to generalize or anything..[/quote]

Yeah really, good thing Dev is a little more open minded than this guy.
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Firstly:
Did you miss the mini-rant dev had in the official ki spoiler thread when he thought he wasn't going to make any money from ki due to downloaders, but then everyone was all "no dev, we're going to buy it!" and then the ebay pre-order went up and they sold like hotcakes and dev was all "hooray, i am going to make money and i'll be able to continue doing what i love!"

Secondly:
Mosh said "people download ALL their software". There's a big difference between people who download some software (i.e. in order to try it out, or because they don't have the funds straight away etc. etc.)
If everyone was downloading all of their software and not paying for it, do you think you'd have the multitude of fun/useful music apps/games/whatever that you do today?
No you wouldn't.
Open source is great and all, but it's still got a way to come.

When you've got a job where you spend months/years developing something (software or art or whatever) then you'll understand why it sucks when you know people are out there just downloading your lovely little creation instead of showing you respect and paying for it.

here here!

When it comes to pirating software, I always go by this basic rule; If I'm going to make any money off of what I create with it, I'm going to pay for it. I shouldn't at all expect people to pay for what I make if I don't even pay for the tools I use.

I download a lot, but I rarely keep most things on my computer for long. Usually it's simply to try software out, make sure that I know what I'm getting into. This stuff's expensive, and it would suck to spend so much money on say, a vsti only to find you don't like it.

For hobby stuff that I'm not making money off of, I generally just stick with freeware and open source stuff.

'...but this sound is 88.2! The one you like is only 44.1...'

yeeeah, but I'm going to smear it with reverb anyways, so ...? ...um, can I just use that one?

im guessing your refering to sample rates there? ... never heard of 88.2 sample rate. all i heard of is 44.1 48 96 196 352.something..... after checking foobar i guess 88.2 is a legit sample rate.....

Thanks dev!

damn. Pro Tools I'm gonna go check is Cubase sx 3 has one now.

I can't afford to spend 2 grand on recording software. It sucks that you have to not only buy the program, but then you have to buy hardware for it

My hardware isn't compatible with Pro tools, I guess, because it's not made by the company that makes pro tools

oh and, WTF! Symphonic Orchestra silver has pianos but gold doesn't!?!?!

LAME!

edit: I guess they were released for gold and platinum as an expansion pack that you could buy.

Still seems kinda weird to me!

not to generalize or anything..

What is there to generalise? That piracy is sometimes OK? No, it's not from my standpoint because I could be out of a job.
And also, read my post, I said ALL software

Yeah really, good thing Dev is a little more open minded than this guy.

So if Dev never sold another CD ever because everyone would just pirate them, that would be OK? I am not the internet police kid, I make a living doing this and if people like you pirate everything and advocate it as if it's ok, then I lose my job. grow up.

Yeah really, good thing Dev is a little more open minded than this guy.

Having unrestrained access to warez on the internet sure is damn spoiling. I'm still working my way towards being un-t.w.a.t and using legit stuff. Buying every game I want to play and using lots of free equivalents of pricey software (there are very cool free CD burning programs, anitivirus scanners etc.), paid for licence for Reaper (even if it works the same without the registering - looks they have trust in users and don't limit demo version in any way, beside one tiny "please register" window once a day) and use free VSTs and instruments (there's TONS of them on kvraudio.com, and I suck at music, so simple, free things are often enough). Back then I had absolutely no remorse about using nicked software, but now feel bit uneasy when using one (ok, still have some, must admit) - may look bit like sitting on high horse, but boasting of using warez is just dick thing to do to the authors. Indeed your "good thing Dev is a little more open minded" is kinda missed shot - not sure if you've noticed, but he acknowleged downloading sucks and his post on this topic were no less but shrug and expressing hope that people won't be a dicks and will buy the record anyway.

(btw, SOMEBODY TURN THAT ANNOYING SWEARWORD FILTER OFF PLZ)

Honestly I think anyone who has full intentions of buying the product should just use the demo, if theres no demo available then MAYBE download it for free, use it a bit, see if you like it. Don't make a cd with the pirated software and sell it. The whole thing is, if your making money off a program, so should the developer of the program.

I'm not saying pirate software, but I'm not going to shed out 500 dollars on a program to see if I like it or not. I personally am against downloading software, but I do from time to time to test it out. But I look into it first and see if it has what I want, and then just to MAKE SURE it's what I want I download it, take a look around, then uninstall and order the software from the company.

I'm pretty poor and I don't have a lot of money, but when music is your passion you can make it work. I've bought all of the programs I've used and I gotta say. It's nice being able to call tech support and ask why something is not working and being able to fix it without searching for hours on forums.

If your a software pirate who uses the software to make CDs, then thats cool. Different strokes (as dev likes to say). But from a musician and business owner (Although no one can pirate my amplifiers, not that I have even finished my first one), if you make money off something you have gotten for free, take some of it and invest it into that company. Buy their software and give back to someone who inadvertently gave you the tools to create something beautiful and make money off it. It pays off, because the more income that company gets, the more it can develope those products you use. Maybe instead of releasing a whole new product they will release a few patches, so your not spending more money on an upgraded version of what your using. I mean think about it. A company can either update software for free, or sell a whole new version of a product and just add a whole number to the end of it, in which you'll be paying anywhere from 200-500 dollars from. Weather or not the have an upgrade package or you just have to buy the whole damn thing over!

Sorry for the rant.

Anyways back on topic. Lets talk piano shall we!

as a software developer I can frankly say: people that download all their software are fucking scum

not to generalize or anything..

Hmm I'm sure you'd think of everyone who steals your TV as fucking scum.

I've seen this a couple of times in this thread:

The whole thing is, if your making money off a program, so should the developer of the program.

But how do you translate that to games? Definitely the most pirated kind of software, but hardly anyone is making any money playing games. (Otherwise it seems like a sensible point of view though).

And yeah, let us all support open source software


And yes I did miss Dev's rant about downloading Ki, because... well the whole point in having a separate 'spoilers' thread is because some people don't want to read it.

as a software developer I can frankly say: people that download all their software are fucking scum

not to generalize or anything..

Hmm I'm sure you'd think of everyone who steals your TV as fucking scum.

I've seen this a couple of times in this thread:

The whole thing is, if your making money off a program, so should the developer of the program.

But how do you translate that to games? Definitely the most pirated kind of software, but hardly anyone is making any money playing games. (Otherwise it seems like a sensible point of view though).

And yeah, let us all support open source software


And yes I did miss Dev's rant about downloading Ki, because... well the whole point in having a separate 'spoilers' thread is because some people don't want to read it.

Well I mean if you get any kind of value from it.

If you pirate a game you probably can't get the updates. I like to play online. It's fun and it makes the playability of the game last longer. No one wants to play games alone forever.

Also, if you CAN get the updates for games that you've pirated, then how is the developer supposed to put them out if they don't have the money to keep their developers, or maintain their website.

Games are getting harder and harder to pirate nowadays anyway. I won't lie, I pirate some games, but I ALWAYS buy them if they are good. If the have a demo I get that first. What sucks about games is you can get the demo and then the actual game can suck ass. If a developer slacks off and makes a shitty game (EA is REALLY good at this. They just try and put games out, not make good games) they probably don't deserve the money. Unless they are an independent developer, in which i'll usually buy their games regardless if they suck or not, just to support them and hopefully it pays off and they make a game thats worth while!

not to generalize or anything..

What is there to generalise? That piracy is sometimes OK? No, it's not from my standpoint because I could be out of a job.
And also, read my post, I said ALL software

yeah, fair enuf. I understand your anger at this software theft, and i understand that it could/does threaten your lively hood. I'd not be happy at all if someone didnt pay me for work i'd done (i'm a lighting tech/sparky) and it has happened plenty of times and sux and is like finding a turd in your coffee.

But, shit, i dunno for some reason reading people are 'fucking scum' didnt sit well with me... I spose thats really what prompted me to respond to your post in the first place.