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#99262 by EternalMetal
Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:22 pm
It is arguable that since killing for food is an instinct, that it is how we are supposed to be. You can argue that we dont need to kill animals in modern day society to survive, and this is why we should not kill animals because we can survive without doing unnecesary harm. Ok, I cant disagree with that, but it does not mean that it is unjust.

Hunting and slaughterhouses are completely different. The results are not the same. You corrupt an animal at the last minute of its life with hunting. At a slaughterhouse you deny the animal life. Getting killed for food is part of survival, this can directly be compared to an eagle killing a mouse. Dying is a part of life, and everything eventually dies. So the end result is the same, regardless of i kill the deer, or disease kills the deer.

A sport is defined as "Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively." (Dictionary.com). Hunting is physical in the sense that you need to hiker ut in the woods, wait for a deer to come, silently take yor gun, shoot it, and then track it down by following a blood trail if it didnt drop immediatly. Their are definitely rules and customs, and can be competitive in some instances. So by definition and not based on a certain set of morals, hunting is a sport.

I agree with you that slaughterhouses are unjust, but hunting is justified through giving the animal a valid life, and that you are using the meat that you killed. Since you are indeed using it for survival (food), it is justified.

And I was indeed using the food chain as an argument, but not as a fact that has to be considered. I considered it arguable, agreeing that the two sides can be equally taken, with none being the better side to take. Since we are civilized, the food chain has no meaning to our survival. We survive by no means of traditional survival tactics, so they no longer apply to us. And then it can still be argued that we are animals by definition.

It can also be argued that since humans used to be polygamous, cannibals, and move in packs that this is the way we were meant to live since it was our instincts. We werent really meant for anything, except survival and freedom to do what we want.

#99264 by EphelDuath666
Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:29 pm
yes, you are NOT using it for survival. You won't die when you don't eat it and you seriously don't NEED to eat it. Whether you WANT to or not is a different question but it's not for survival. Today I don't need meat to survive so I don't eat it. And I stand by what I said, I don't call hunting a sport. Because I personally don't associate sport with killing. That's my personal definition, no matter what the dictionairy says.

Oh and I'm not questioning that we are animals, I have always said so. But we are animals that have a choice.

#99269 by Yanko
Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:49 pm
c'mon people, i already made my "oh how life is pretty"-movie-ending-esque post, why are you still discussing this?! :P

#99270 by EternalMetal
Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:55 pm
EphelDuath666 wrote:yes, you are NOT using it for survival. You won't die when you don't eat it and you seriously don't NEED to eat it. Whether you WANT to or not is a different question but it's not for survival. Today I don't need meat to survive so I don't eat it. And I stand by what I said, I don't call hunting a sport. Because I personally don't associate sport with killing. That's my personal definition, no matter what the dictionairy says.


We dont really need to do anything. I dont eat meat because i need to, i eat it because it is convenient, and I love it. No better reason, I can, so I do. I dont need to listen to music, but I love it so I do. not many things we do are especially for survival.

#99291 by EphelDuath666
Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:41 am
but you can't really compare listening to music with eating meat because the way both are made is simply not comparable. When you buy music the artist benefits and you do too. When you eat meat the animal that got killed for that probably doesn't.

#99293 by EphelDuath666
Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:54 am
well, to come to a conclusion...we probably won't ever agree :lol:

OICJFO (God, I love that one)

#99299 by Lolliklauer
Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:01 am
yes, you are NOT using it for survival. You won't die when you don't eat it and you seriously don't NEED to eat it. Whether you WANT to or not is a different question but it's not for survival. Today I don't need meat to survive so I don't eat it.


I agree 100%. That´s exactly what i always say if i´m asked why i´m vegetarian.

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