Greetings people
i was just watching this film on youtube and thought i would share it with anybody out there who may be interested.
it deals with the topic of life on earth originating from other planets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EZyFzkUC4c

if anyone decides to watch it, let me know your thoughts and views on the subject. im curious to hear other thoughts on this matter

Interesting I'll watch this later

Have you seen the documentary on what would (potentionally) happen if all humans just suddenly vanished? That was very cool.

Have you seen the documentary on what would (potentionally) happen if all humans just suddenly vanished? That was very cool.

No, i havent, but that sounds very interesting

This documentary pointed out just how much more we have to evolve, as humans. we havent reached the full potential of our DNA yet.
In the last 100 years, we have made some of our greatest technological discoveries, imagine how far we could come 100, or even 1000 years from now

Hmmmm... I just clicked the link and saw the first minute. A title is displayed, that goes "Astrobiology, the origin of life and the death of darwinism". The "Zeitgeist" look of the video so far makes me think it's gonna be... well, let's say "controverted".

I'll watch it tomorrow and shitstorm on you all.

Have you seen the documentary on what would (potentionally) happen if all humans just suddenly vanished? That was very cool.

No, i havent, but that sounds very interesting

This documentary pointed out just how much more we have to evolve, as humans. we havent reached the full potential of our DNA yet.
In the last 100 years, we have made some of our greatest technological discoveries, imagine how far we could come 100, or even 1000 years from now

Yea, would suck we wouldn't be around to see it ya know? Who the fuck cares where humans "could" be in 1000 years? I wont be around to see it, and neither will you. I care more about what we can do in the next, say, 50 years or so...while I might still be alive.

This is pseudo-scientific bollocks. I mean panspermia might be possible, but they're talking about this like it's a fact, rather than the conjecture that it is.

A lot of the claims they're making have no basis in fact. "Darwinian evolution is refuted by modern genetics and progress in the fossil record?" Erm, no it isn't.

Some of the arguments later on in the video are awful. "If evolution is random then why not dogs with human faces? Or sheep that sing opera". What? How does that follow at all from evolution not being deterministic? It doesn't. Just because evolution is non-deterministic, it doesn't automatically follow that any crazy creature you can imagine in your head will automatically happen. It's about as valid an argument as "If the patterns formed in rock by erosion are random, then why don't we find reproductions of famous paintings in rock formations?"

Basically it's not much different than creationist arguments. Misrepresentations of existing scientific evidence, conjecture, and outright falsehood presented as fact.

One of the first sentences was truly eye-opening: "the human mind...cannot comprehend what it can't comprehend." Some real effort went into that. Oh, and it's quickly backed up by the statement that life is intrinsic to living. Surprise!

This video is tripe. The tone insinuates that this is irrefutable fact, and it's that stance of turning a blind eye toward contradictory evidence and alternate possibilities that makes this less than credible. Scientific radicals tend to have this problem to some degree, but this is the worst I've seen it in awhile.

(I'm embarrassed that Beethoven's work is now associated with this.)

I don't want to belabor any points, but a few comments:
-This is nothing like Zeitgeist. Zeitgeist is intended to encourage alternate research on the social aspects of humanity. This attempts to piece together a scientific theory from misguided logic, extrapolation, and intellectual dishonesty.
-If that documentary of what the world would be like post-people was some TV series, I saw an episode of that. It wasn't well thought-out (especially concerning domesticated animals) and it failed to come to any startling or worthwhile conclusion. Just a rating fisher.
-The Oid has great points. Heed him.
-One last thing--it's a human prerogative to take interest in the propagation and longevity of our species. The minute advances that will come in our lifetime are only made as stepping stones to further human achievement indefinitely. (Now, let's colonize space!)

Puaj, this "documentary" is pure plain bullshit. Full of pseudocientific -when not fictionary- arguments and crusty background images mixed with webcam microphone recorded voices... I don't know if you checked the other videos by this user, such as:

-2012 Doomsday? Fall of the aztec empire: return of the serpent god of the cross. Mayan calendar.

-Ufo and flying saucers? They came from the sky...

I mean... WTF...! There's a link to a book selling web in every crappy video by this guys... this is the old trick of selling pseudocientific bullshit, nothing else.

-This is nothing like Zeitgeist. Zeitgeist is intended to encourage alternate research on the social aspects of humanity. This attempts to piece together a scientific theory from misguided logic, extrapolation, and intellectual dishonesty.

Soundsofentropy, I disagree. I don't think that the author's intention is to encourage people to perform alternate research like he says. If I intended to do so I wouldn't lie so bad about the origins of the christian doctrine, the 9/11, nor would I invent such things as money=debt. The truth is not as catchy as conspiracy theories are, and I don't know how exactly are conspiracy theories ment to encourage alternate research. What i've seen so far is that, instead, Zeitgeist fans become fanatics of it's Big Revelations, and don't accept any criticism.

I'm an atheist and I don't "love" the political stablishment, but I don't think that the way to fight it is to delude people with lies.

I'm an atheist and I don't "love" the political stablishment, but I don't think that the way to fight it is to delude people with lies.

Massively popular stuff. Similarly, newest conspiracy fad here is WHO/FAO's Codex Alimentarius, which according to not-quite-english speaking conspiracists aims to kill 2 billions of people and regulate of amount of toxic chemistry that HAS to be included in food (they took this by mistranslating part where MAXIMUM allowed doses are noted). Also, its murderous intents are allegedly obvious, with WHO/FAO being official worldwide doomsday organisation.

I have the impression that more and more people likes this kind stuff. Maybe World's really ruled by Jewish, alien lizardmen forbidding people to use words "mum" and "dad" and planning to poison humanity to death (by 2012).

If you look for videos of power substations sparking, some of them have hilarious comments by conspiracy nuts claiming that it's some top secret government weather machine, that was used against New Orleans a few years ago.

If you look for videos of power substations sparking, some of them have hilarious comments by conspiracy nuts claiming that it's some top secret government weather machine, that was used against New Orleans a few years ago.

I Think i heard that one. supposedly a weather altering device known as HAARP. the same people say that it also caused the china earthquake

Its interesting to see all the comments on this video. to be honest, i usually take it all with a gain of salt. to base one's soul opinions on other people's views isnt a good move. if anything, beyond all the stuff i couldnt quite understand and comprehend, it did spark a couple of questions in my mind about our origins and evolution.
were we merely the result of a lucky combo of gasses and farts which came about to bring organisms into the world?



Its just one of those questions that we have been asking each other for centuries, i guess. i doubt whether or not we will come to a conclusion on a musicians forum, but its nice to talk about it

If you look for videos of power substations sparking, some of them have hilarious comments by conspiracy nuts claiming that it's some top secret government weather machine, that was used against New Orleans a few years ago.

Haahaa. I think the best (or worst) conspiracy theory was a woman who thought the government was either poisioning them, or attempting some weird brain control by putting...

Rainbows, in the water. Yep.

The fact she was holding up her garden hose in a BRIGHT SUNNY DAY, means nothing, apperently.

it must of been a joke.

Hahaha that guy is great.

When I pointed out (in a respectful manner), that arguments like "if evolution is random, then why no opera singing sheep" betrays a lack of basic understanding of how evolution actually works. He replied with this:
"what a disappointment you turned out to be. Sure, you are 100% right. You are the expert. We we know nothing about evolution."

Shortly afterwards, replies that made him look foolish mysteriously started to disappear. Perhaps they went off to live on another planet?

-This is nothing like Zeitgeist. Zeitgeist is intended to encourage alternate research on the social aspects of humanity. This attempts to piece together a scientific theory from misguided logic, extrapolation, and intellectual dishonesty.

Soundsofentropy, I disagree. I don't think that the author's intention is to encourage people to perform alternate research like he says. If I intended to do so I wouldn't lie so bad about the origins of the christian doctrine, the 9/11, nor would I invent such things as money=debt. The truth is not as catchy as conspiracy theories are, and I don't know how exactly are conspiracy theories ment to encourage alternate research. What i've seen so far is that, instead, Zeitgeist fans become fanatics of it's Big Revelations, and don't accept any criticism.

I'm an atheist and I don't "love" the political stablishment, but I don't think that the way to fight it is to delude people with lies.

Well, I didn't say it was perfect. It's loaded with flaws just as any other of these "documentaries." But that's all beside the point--it was my interpretation that Zeitgeist is meant to shock one into thinking "woah, woah, wait a minute..." and subsequently taking a more deterministic view of supposedly well-understood events. As an atheist, I can't say I agree with the attack on Christian theology, since it was pretty unsubstantiated, citing one nearly-discredited Egyptologist for much of the film. There are certainly much more powerful reasons to doubt religion on the whole. But conspiracy or not, the "truth" (quotes for the overuse and mismatched meanings of the word) about 9/11 is still quite unclear. The set of events revolving around the attack as declared by the US government requires leaps of faith (as does the pure conspiracy theory), so suffice it to say that I'm not convinced it was all one side or the other. And I'm certainly no fan of the consequences of the attack: patriotism is the new terrorism; remove some individual liberties for the good of the collective; we must protect global interests and wage war on an idea. And as for the economy, I opine that there is no economic system that will be sustainably stable and equal. In the words of Bill Hicks, it's "fake anyway."

I think things like Zeitgeist should be considered to maintain intellectual honesty, provided that the arguments are acceptably logical and substantiated. It's not that it should be taken as fact (no documentary should--there's bias in everything), but neither should the stories published by power structures.

No, fighting the establishment with lies is not the "right" way to go about things (although I really don't think that was the intended aim), but neither is passively aggressively playing the game and wishing that someone would come along and change everything.

Haahaa. I think the best (or worst) conspiracy theory was a woman who thought the government was either poisioning them, or attempting some weird brain control by putting...

Rainbows, in the water. Yep.

The fact she was holding up her garden hose in a BRIGHT SUNNY DAY, means nothing, apperently.

it must of been a joke.

There's one on the youtube, where some dude analyzes 10 minute long cellphone camera (very low quality) movie of some girl. You know, one of these innocent things people shoot with their girlfriends or something. All 10 minutes are painstakingly analyzed for any signs of her being reptilian creature, every compression artifact is sign of lizard tongue/scales/lizard eyes/another lizard thing. Amazing.